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Walker: not right personnel for small ball & not great from 3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JW86, Feb 10, 2020.

  1. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Gawd damn, please post more @harold bingo!

    That's precisely the kind of analysis I like reading instead of "Rockets too short, rockets are worse" type of drivel on this board.
     
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    I searched bb-reference this morning. The result was a bit different from yours.

    DRTG >= 117
    70-386, which is 15.4% winning percentage.

    A little higher than your result. But the point is the same. It's BAD. a 15.4% season is 13-69.

    BTW, of the 456 games, 15 of them were played by the Rockets. The record was 5-10 (33%), better than the league percentage. It's expected because the Rockets have a good offense to negate some of the bad defensive effort.

    What's alarming is that 15 games is more than 1/4 of all the games we played. It's almost once every week.
     
  3. D-rock

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    If you keep saying it maybe both players will return.





    NOT
     
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  4. D-rock

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    Still going over everyone's head. Improving the perimeter defense is the key.

    CF still rather talk about offense.
     
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  5. harold bingo

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    Yeah, I see what I did wrong. I tried to sort the result, but it looks like the sorting is only done on a per page basis - so while I tried to sort all wins to the top, I was really just seeing 56 wins on that first page, meaning there were more wins left over on the following pages. Doesn't really change the conclusion as you mentioned, but it's important to get the numbers right. Thanks.
     
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  6. mike2k132

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    yes but now u miss the even grander point. u gottta keep zooming out.

    guys they shoot that good are expensive. the whole grand grand idea is how do u get guys that can fit around guys that a superstars n have high caps. the goal is u harness the guys that don't do good enough but in ur system they cheap n now efficient relative to the volume
     
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  7. DaDakota

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    Rockets are too short to play defense?
    ;)

    DD
     
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  8. Easy

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    Yeah. The argument that without a rim protector our defense got worse has some merit. We'll have to wait for a larger sample size to see if our defense gets better or worse by trading a shot blocker for a better perimeter defender.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Well we know that Harden and Westbrook have both rested on defense - so they won't be able to do that.

    DD
     
  10. roslolian

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    MKG can't shoot, that means the offense rtg will go down when he is in. MDA likes his short rotations getting him won't make any sense cuz MDA won't play him.

    Once in a blue moon when he does play MKG will be asked to play center or PF and he'll just be another Thabo Sefalosha. All that defensive prowess wont help him defend bigs just like its not helping Covington now.
     
  11. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The Rockets are missing 3 point shooters - you need some guys 40%+ and we have none.

    The team made sense with CP3 and Capela. The trade for WB though made Capela a liability unfortunately.
     
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    The answer is the Killer B's:

    6'10 Jonah Bolden (7'3 WS) 35% 3P

    6'7 Ryan Broekhoff (6'10 WS) 39% 3P

    7'0 Dragan Bender (7'2 WS) 44% 3P

    6'8 Bismack Biyombo (7'7 WS) N/A

    6'8 (B) Omari Spellman (7'2 WS) 39% 3P

    6'3 Tyler B. Johnson (6'7 WS) 36% 3P
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    1) the rockets are going to be bad at shooting 3's because they take a lot of 3's, and a lot of them are bad. 22nd in the league is pretty damn good given their volume.

    2) Covington is a better defender than Capela and rim protection is overrated as hell. Remember that our smallest guy is still a 6'3" guy that is one of the best rebounding guards ever. What we give up in layups and putbacks we get back on offense and with our quick, agile wings who can get lots of steals. Covington avg. 1 block per game, Capela 1.8. It's not that big a deal.

    3) we don't have to worry about benching Capela to put PJ at center at the end of games. Now we just get to close the game with Covington always, and the 5th guy is going to be Gordon, House or McLemore. Trading a matchup dependent guy for a matchup proof guy is almost always going to be a net win, all other things being equal.

    rockets shot 29% from 3 on 45 attempts and blew out the Celtics. Be patient with this!
     
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    Add a starter who averages 1 block/game to pair with Covington then the .8 variance disappears.

    House or McLemore should not be closers unless they are on fire from 3.
     
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    This right here. This is why I never understood why we would go after someone that can not shoot from outside when Morey's entire philosophy is about the 3 pt shot. I would have understood if we went after Dame. Hell even after Kyrie.... but the Westbrook move just confused me. It just didn't seem like something morey would do.
     
  17. D-rock

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    Dame or Kyrie were not available for CP3. I think that is evident.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It was a mistake to get rid of CP3. We'd have been better of using those picks to just get Covington and keeping Capela and CP3.

    Capela + CP3 >> Westbrook
     
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    Trading caplea is for westbrooks to prevent center traffic congestion. Westbrooks can do layup and slam dunk easily. If there is a guy standing inside, their center can block westbrooks and difficult to shoot accurately
     
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    Even without Capela you'd prefer that. Can you imagine the defense this team would have if they were throwing out CP3 + Covington + Tucker lineups to close games.

    I am happy with Westbrook becoming playable, but the opportunity cost of the trade is what really hurts. A straight up swap you can live with. The picks and the swaps that were thrown in made it just horrendous. Those could have been much better utilized.
     

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