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Venezuela Protests

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by robbie380, Jan 22, 2019.

  1. JuanValdez

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    If it was on purpose, I think it would have been to pressure Maduro. They can hire a survey company to test how Americans would react to an invasion.
     
  2. Cohete Rojo

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  3. MiddleMan

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    One of the reason many Hispanics are voting for the GOP. They know about the failed socialistic and communist govt”s. 29% voted for GOP this recent election in 2016. I believe 35% Hispanics voted for GOP ted Cruz in Texas last November. I like the increase of percentage. #MAGA
     
  4. WNBA

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    29% and 35% are pathetic numbers. I wonder why... since they knew about the failed socialistic and communist govts....
     
  5. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    It's all in how you plot it. My very scientific rendition of this proves it.

    See, now we have undeniable evidence latinos love Trump.
     

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  6. MiddleMan

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    We are heading the Right direction.
     
  7. Nook

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    No what is unfortunate is that they are starving to death and crime is rampant and civil liberties are almost non existent.

    There isn't a strong cultural backbone to rely on in Venezuela, so any form of government is going to struggle without serious financial support from a world power in the short term.

    Before Chavez the poor in Venezuela were treated like garbage and were oppressed and poorly educated. When Chavez took power he removed the well educated (but corrupt) upper class and replaced them with supporters in poverty that were poorly educated and not qualified for the positions.

    So the dynamics of this in some ways are similar to South Africa. There is no one in Venezuela to lean on that is experienced with and qualified to run the county at the micro level.

    I just hope that Venezuela does not continue to swing strongly one way or the other as it has recently. Corruption is also a serious issue.
     
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  8. Nook

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    29% is a lot of voters?
     
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  9. MiddleMan

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    That did not vote for the Democrats, yes. It will only increase.
     
  10. RayRay10

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  11. robbie380

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    So it's pretty interesting what has been happening somewhat behind the scenes recently. Russia is actively helping Maduro transport gold out of Venezuela to sell so he can continue to fund his army/operations. I've started following some military flight tracking people on twitter and it's pretty neat to see all the stuff that goes on. Anyhow, there were a couple of Nordwind 777s that came from Moscow to Caracas

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-russia-jet-idUSKCN1PN311

    "The plane normally flies between Russia and Southeast Asia, according to publicly-available flight data. Neither Nordwind nor other commercial airlines offer direct Moscow-Caracas flights.

    Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta reported the plane flew with two crews and no passengers."



    Then another Nordwind from Moscow landed a day later



    And then headed back to Moscow



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ledge-plane-sent-venezuela-extract-20-tonnes/

    The Russians then came out and said we don't know anything blah blah

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ank-gold-reserves-to-uae-source-idUSKCN1PP2QR

    This story comes out yesterday about Maduro's plan to sell 15 tons of gold as soon as possible to the UAE for euros and to sell another 14 tons of gold to them by the end of Feb. The link has more in it.

    And today a 757 from Russia left Caracas to fly back to Moscow



    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...3-tonnes-of-gold-from-venezuela-idUSKCN1PQ5TV

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...le-of-gold-is-stuck-in-limbo-in-caracas-vault

    Noor Capital in the UAE apparently bought 3 tons of gold from Maduro, but said they would refrain from more purchases.

    There is also still question if the majority of the gold is still in the vaults in Caracas, but it was supposedly there as of Thursday. I'm guessing the gold is gone now. Anyhow, this seems to be a pretty direct challenge by the Russians of the gauntlet the US has laid down about aiding Maduro. I'm curious what steps the administration will take next.
     
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  12. Cohete Rojo

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  13. HTM

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    Ah the Russians “helping” a struggling government by doing stuff with its gold. Shades of the Spanish Republic.

    (*Though I believe the Spanish Republic was in the right, well relatively, they committed their own attrocities)
     
  14. Buck Turgidson

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    Those evil Western democracies are just at it again.
     
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  15. robbie380

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    Pretty decent discussion about how hard it would have been to clandestinely put the gold on a plane without anyone knowing on his twitter page too.
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

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    How do *you* think Chavez/Maduro and their acolytes robbed the country? How does any SA banana dictator do it?
     
  17. glynch

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    Robbie, do you? Merely citing the NYT ( which has been hot to overthrow Venezuela for many years, but is mistakenly viewed as objective) in a lock step fashion or right wing media does not make you much of an expert. You are probably too young, but it was exactly similar supposed objective sources that caused so many otherwise informed folks to be in favor of the Iraq War, Libya etc. You are getting one side.

    The demonstations in support of the government are bigger than the ones that our media makes you think are the whole story-- that everyone is out against the government and it is just a military dictatorship. BTW did you know: 1) Maduro got 2/3 of the vote against a moderate conservative. 2) The Pence/ convicted CIA Contra criminal Eliot Abrams/CIA types and the right wingers including the Guiado were urged not to run, not to negotiate and only to obstruct. 3) millions of Venezuelans have indoor plumbing, literacy and have seen a doctor for the first time in their lives. They are hurting, due to fallen oil prices, economic sabotage, and government mismanagment, but many Venezuelans remember how the oligarchic crowd exemplified by old money rightists like Guiado did nothing to improve their lives. 4) The majority of Venezuelans do not look like white Europeans or like Beto's..

    Take a chance and look for alternative info beyond the US mainstream bubble. It is out there. Or just uniformedly cheer for another war/coup..
     
  18. glynch

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    Just like the previous oligarchs supported by the US did. By many accounts the past Venezuelans actually robbed the country of more.
     
  19. juicystream

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    Glynch and his love of the Venezuelan government.
     
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  20. glynch

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    Not substantive. At least quote a NYT article or Fox or the convicted Cocaine Contra guy Abraham guy who the Repugs have put in charge of our relations w Venezuela.

    I like many others have become less supportive of Maduro as time has gone on. However, it is just ignorant bs to pretend that the right wing families who ran Venezuela and are the fathers of the coup leaders did well for the great majority of Venezuelans.
     
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