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Ukraine scandal Megathread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Contributing Member

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    Are 20% of the electorate that STUPID and Important that the 80% have to give 2 ***** what they think?

    This is our DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC under attack!

    Trump should be tried as a traitor, and that includes several of his staff as well.

    DD
     
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    NAME ROLE CHARGES BY COUNTS DISPOSITION
    Paul Manafort
    Campaign chairman Conspiracy against the U.S. SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Conspiracy to commit witness tampering SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Bank fraud SCO 2 Convicted
    Failure to report foreign bank accounts SCO 1 Convicted
    False tax returns SCO 5 Convicted
    Conspiracy to obstruct justice SCO 1 Dropped
    Conspiracy to launder money SCO 1 Dropped
    Obstruction of justice SCO 1 Dropped
    Making false statements SCO 1 Dropped
    Filing false FARA statements SCO 1 Dropped
    Unregistered agent of a foreign principal SCO 1 Dropped
    Bank fraud conspiracy SCO 5 Dropped
    Rick Gates Deputy campaign chairman Conspiracy against the U.S. SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Making false statements SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Bank fraud SCO 4 Dropped
    Bank fraud conspiracy SCO 5 Dropped
    Failure to report foreign bank accounts SCO 3 Dropped
    False tax returns SCO 5 Dropped
    Assisting in preparation of false tax documents SCO 5 Dropped
    False amended tax returns SCO 1 Dropped
    Michael Flynn National security adviser Making false statements SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    George Papadopoulos Campaign adviser Making false statements SCO 1 Pleaded guilty

    Papadopoulos served a brief prison sentence and is now free.

    Trump advisers and allies
    Both Stone and Trump’s longtime attorney Michael Cohen were only indirectly connected to the campaign.

    NAME ROLE CHARGES BY COUNTS DISPOSITION
    Roger Stone
    Adviser Obstruction of proceeding SCO 1 Indicted
    Making false statements SCO 5 Indicted
    Witness tampering SCO 1 Indicted
    Michael Cohen Personal attorney Making false statements SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Making false statements SDNY 1 Pleaded guilty
    Tax evasion SDNY 5 Pleaded guilty
    Campaign finance violations SDNY 2 Pleaded guilty
    Others
    A few individuals tangentially related to campaign staff or to other accused individuals have face charges obtained by Mueller’s team.

    NAME ROLE CHARGES BY COUNTS DISPOSITION
    Konstantin Kilimnik
    Business partner of Manafort and Gates Conspiracy to obstruct justice SCO 1 Indicted
    Alex van der Zwaan Attorney who worked with Manafort and Gates Making false statements SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Richard Pinedo Facilitated transactions related to Russian efforts Identity fraud SCO 1 Pleaded guilty
    Van der Zwaan served a brief prison sentence and was subsequently
     
  3. mick fry

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    On the contrary I know they do.
     
  4. AleksandarN

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    Trump was right there is a deep state. It is the one he created in his inner circle. This deep state of his doing is far more sinister than the fake one he likes to talk about
     
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    So the new anti-Trump strategy is to illegally leak contents of his private discussions with foreign leaders, but do so after retaining counsel and calling it a "whistleblower complaint". Calling it a whistleblower makes illegal leaking OK!

    Can you imagine trying to lead the United States as President with all of these snakes trying to undermine you? And all the while the media is stoking the flames, and the anti-Trump mob whipping up the emotions of their useful idiots into a frenzy? Hats off to Trump for being able to fight through this harassment.

    GOOD DAY
     
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  6. DaDakota

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    If it is partisan than pass it to Congress, it will be obviously partisan - he hides so much because he is corrupt and dirty and it disgusts me that people are ok with that.

    And how can the President call it Partisan when he doesn't know who it is????

    DD
     
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  7. AleksandarN

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    Can you imagine trying to lead the United States looking out for the country instead of yourself. Trying to lead all of the country not the minority which you cling on to because they worship you. Do you think those rallies he holds are for the people? No it’s for him. He wants devotion above all of else no matter what. He is not for the country as a whole
     
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  8. AleksandarN

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    Anyone who tries to cover up or is complicit in this corruption(that is republicans in senate as well. It is co equal branches of the government after all. Remember republicans you like to hold the constitution above all else) should be held criminally responsible
     
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    Wow... how does this journalist know more about our whistle blower laws than the republican leader??? Oh yea, because the republican leader is ignoring legal and ethical boundaries in order to defend the republican president...


     
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  10. DaDakota

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    Not just republicans, democrats, independents anyone!!!

    The for profit congress has to go.....

    DD
     
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  11. Dubious

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    How does threatening to hold an authorized aid package hostage in order obtain political opposition information promote the security of the United States?

    Do you think he conferred with any seasoned State Department officials before he did it or just his gang of sycophants?

    The Office requires the holder serve the interest of the Nation paramount. The President is not a candidate while in the Oval conducting State business.
     
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    And trump doing trump things. Accuses the whistle blower of being a "partisan" but then says he doesn't know who the whistle blower is. Describes the conversation he had as "beautiful" but then says he doesn't know the conversation. He is an idiot. And a liar.

    He has to go...

     
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    So you really do not care? What does Trump have to do to lose TJ’s support?
     
  14. mick fry

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    This is what I see when entering Clutch D&D.
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  15. B-Bob

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    Become a liberal.
     
  16. Trader_Jorge

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    It's critical for the United States to take a stand against corruption. If Joe Biden and Hunter Biden defrauded our country, putting their selfish financial interests ahead of our country's interest, then we need to know that, and we should be calling on Ukraine to disclose that. Corruption must be rooted out. And if that means we withhold aid or apply sanctions, then so be it. It's the same thing we do when countries violate Human Rights, like South Africa during apartheid. What was Joe Biden doing in covering up for his son Hunter's dishonest behavior? The media and the liberal hoard is fighting like crazy to suppress this story, and make sure the story surrounds Trump. And yet again, the liberals get played and fall right into the trap... chasing the shiny object while their own heroes' dirty deeds are the real story. Sounds a lot like the Obama campaign spying on Trump which the media successfully turned into a fake story about Trump-Russia collusion to cover the Obama Administration's tracks... same song, difference verse...

    GOOD DAY
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

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    So, You have no problem with Congress investigating Trump's use of the Presidency to enrich himself and his businesses?
     
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  18. Dubious

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    Republicans had the Congress for 6 years, the DOJ for 2. We've got an FBI that runs investigations, the CIA for international subversion and the NSA for information gathering.

    But sure threaten to hold back an aid package from a nation facing invasion from Russia, that'll crack the case.
     
  19. Trader_Jorge

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    Trump was rich beyond anyone's wildest dreams before running for President. Trump's decision to run for President and the associated 4 years of media attacks have been hugely negative for Trump financially. Trump has done the opposite of the dirty Bidens -- he has sacrificed big money so that he can faithfully serve the people of the United States. Trump didn't need this job to make money. We need more people who think like THAT. And not like the Clintons and Bidens, who used their positions of power to enrich themselves and their posse.

    GOOD DAY
     
  20. Deckard

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    You aren't @mick fry, @cml750. This story isn't going to go away. In fact, in my humble opinion, this is what will bring trump down. Attempted blackmail of a foreign power to "persuade" that government to dig up, or manufacture, evidence against a political opponent in the upcoming election breaks all kinds of laws. Just to be clear, I read page one of this thread and then made this post. I'm going off of what I've read from more than one source, and it is utterly damning for trump. This, in my opinion, is the proverbial straw that's breaking the camel's back. In this case, trump has gone too far. He isn't dealing with Putin on this one, at least not directly. Putin is far too smart to be caught with his pants down, which is where trump is now. They are down around his ankles. Wait and see.
     
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