Trump wants to kill the F-35 and move forward with the Advanced Super Hornet

Boeing has never stopped accepting subsidies. Sounds like something Trump could hold over their head.

 

F/18 and F35 have different roles. F35 is a stealth fighter, ASH is not. The problem is the plan that can take some of the F35's stealth role is the F22...which is made by Lockheed Martin. Trump is an idiot. His miltary knowledge comes from movies.

 

I can get on board with these types of actions by the Trump administration where he holds these companies more accountable for cost overruns and delays. The F-35 has been a boondoggle so far, which isn't to say it needs to be killed as it serves a different function due to its stealth than the F18 or A10.

 

One day we hear that Trump is surrounding himself with too many generals as advisers, the next day we hear that he's getting all of his military knowledge from movies. I guess whatever narrative works at the time.

 

Nobody really said that to my knowledge, people commented on the stupidity of his advisors...ergo Gen. Flynn

 

For all the people complaining about the F-35 being a stealth fighter and the ASH is not:

ASH will have electronic warfare. There's an argument that stealth is vastly overrated. Old WWII era radars can still presumably detect it and lower frequency systems are being developed to counter it. The US already has an EW plane in the E/A-18G Growler, also based on the Super Hornet.

 

The complaints really started once he announced General James Mattis as his Secretary of Defense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...3ebab6bcdd3_story.html?utm_term=.64a807518854

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-transition-generals-232148

Like I said, which is it? Is he surrounding himself by too much military, or is he getting his military information from movies?

There's plenty to bash Trump about legitimately, there's no reason to reach.

 

Well, Mattis is also a wildcard crazy person so I don't see how complaints are a problem.

 

I'm pointing out how the narrative is ignorant....or the narrative that Trump doesn't have enough military advisers is ignorant.

Also, Mattis is not a "wildcard crazy person", and if you truly think so, maybe you need to get some military advisers of your own and stop listening to so much "fake news".

 

Whatever narrative works at the time - sounds like Trump and a Trump supporter.

 

I think you hit on a good point about stealth. Quite frankly, when half of the world has contributed to an aircraft, there is not much secrecy left for the rest of the world. There is no point in dumping billions towards a top end aircraft if it doesn't provide any significant superiority. Once you have air superiority, one does not need billion dollar aircraft to police the skies.

 

I would have agreed with you....$400 billion ago. Now when it's done, you want to deny this plane to our military and yet sell it overseas to other countries to recoup our $400 million? Or are you just sucking Trump's small "finger" because that's all you know how to do?

 

Im not going to pretend I know the arrangements on the cost to our allies, but I serious doubt we are selling them for 400 million.

Regardless, we can still sell them to our allies and not waste our money building them for ourselves.

Just another weak attempt by Sweet Lou.

 

Gotta admit, since I finally realized that he was nothing more than a simpleton with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and put him on ignore, it's made the D&D seem a lot more intelligent. Now sure, there are still plenty of people here I disagree with but it was a real step in the right direction. I'd recommend it to anyone.

 

We should take the best of the technology from the F-35 and use it to upgrade what is already the world's finest air superiority jet fighter, the F-22, reopen the production line, and reduce the number of F-35's we purchase to help pay for the new F-22. The F-35B is very important for the Marines and allies such as the U.K. and Italy, and the F-35C would be a useful addition to our carrier fleet, particularly after unmanned carrier capable and possibly stealthy tanker aircraft under development come on line to extend their range. I would reduce the buy of F-35A's for the Air Force and move those funds towards the new F-22 program, buying several hundred of them, develop a new long range strike aircraft for the Navy eventually, and instead of spending a fortune on a new future "6th generation" fighter, consider the upgraded F-22 that aircraft. I would make it a top priority. In my opinion, anyway.

 

Why do we need more F22's ... or F35s? Im not opposed to military spending per say, but no point wasting it on aircraft sitting on the ground collecting dust.

 

Yeah because we need more nukes instead right?

We already spent the money on the stupid f35. It's like building 95% of a first car and saying the r&d was too expensive you is time to stop. The cost actually actually goes down the more you make.

 

That makes a lot of sense. Spend a hundred billion dollars to save a billion. #liberallogic

Your logic completely baffles me. You are against military spending but you want to build aircraft we dont need?

 

What on earth are you talking about? Saying those jets are "aircraft sitting on the ground collecting dust" is absurd. Too few F-22's, a fighter potential adversaries greatly fear, were built, while the F-35, a fighter "designed" to replace several different aircraft, is still years from being deployed in significant numbers with the abilities it is supposed to have, and with a limited range to boot. The aircraft we use the most are being worn out and desperately need to be replaced. Meanwhile, China and Russia's oligarchies have been busy working on how to defeat us in a conflict while we pour untold billions into endless ground wars and poorly conceived defense programs. Our deterrence weakens while they grow stronger. Do you know anything at all about the subject, or am I just wasting my time?