Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam

Oh man, it just keeps getting worse. Sad sad day for America.

 

Sounds like a smart update, one of the big problems at the start of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars was that as of the early to mid 2000's, we were still training our soldiers to fight traditional wars against foes like the Russians, they were unprepared for the most part to go against that type of enemy. Given that Islamic extremism and terrorism is the biggest current terrorist threat, it's good to train everyone for that kind of thing.

Of course something that people will ignore is that there are still plenty of law enforcement agencies that set aside resources and track all extremist groups active in the US, so it's not like this will cause any major changes.....but as we know, those on the left have to feign outrage even if they don't have a valid reason.

 

Are u a ****ing idiot? Sans 9/11, white supremacist have killed more Americans in this country than Islamic terrorist.

 

So other than the single largest terrorist attack in the history of the country, it's been no big deal right? I mean, sure, 2 of the 10 deadliest terrorist attacks in the US the last 40 years have been not related to Muslim extremism, so there's absolutely no reason to focus on Muslim extremism.

Brilliant take, glad you could be here to provide it.

 

And this was just the kind of moronic spin I was expecting. You really should get out and come visit the real world at some point, it'll likely help you out a lot.

 

lol short bus

 

The left has no answer to Islamic Extremists ... other than burying their collective heads up their ass and pretend it doesn't exist. Meanwhile, Europe is getting frequent attacks from these extremists. While the left denies their existence, our own government continues to spy on every american and quietly stops many of these attacks.

Just because we are not seeing weekly attacks doesn't mean its not a threat. Our government has been doing a fairly decent job of keeping organized terrorism at bay. If anyone thinks the US is not a more favorable target than any country in Europe, they are fools.

 

What kind of nonsense are you spouting here? Why waste your time making up fictional stories on here? Nobody on the left is pretending it doesn't exist.

Do you believe Obama is a leftist?

 

Orlando was done by a citizen. People are still unclear if he did because he hated himself for being gay.

The idiots in the WH are focus on the boogyman overseas. Yeah....let's forget about the good wholesome White Supremacist. They are white....they couldn't possibly do any harm....right?

 

All of this is really irrelevant to the OP. No one denies that Islam has extremist, every ideology/religion has extremists and that's really the thing here.

Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam

Let's keep this on point here, the issue is that instead of focusing counter-extremism programs on ALL extremist, we now just decide to focus ONLY on Islam. Lets ignore the growing problem of white extremist picking up their guns and shooting up random places in the name of race, religion, and whatever else they can think of.

 

Are you really telling me Buddhist and Hindu's are on the same level as Islam? You find one mental nut job in those respected religions and somehow that satisfies your narrative?

No, Islam is not inherently evil vying to corrupt poor brown people in the middle east to wage terrorist across the world... no more than the gun safely locked in my safe. However a gun is a very useful tool to commit said atrocities, just as Islam is useful to manipulate poor brown people to committing said austerities. Why is it the left would like nothing more to ban guns but turns a blind eye to the extreme nature of Islam?

 

You are once again ignoring the problem here, it is that the program would ignore other forms of terrorism..
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That bolded is key. No one is saying that Islam doesn't have terrorist, we are saying why is it that other forms of terrorism should go pushed aside?

You say why is it that the left turns a blind eye to the extreme nature of Islam and I say why is it that the right seems to want to turn a blind eye to these cases of homicidal white dudes going on their own racial or religious crusades?

 

To add on to the OP...

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/

If we can't be non-partisan on issues like this, then this country has no hope.

 

Whites do more of everything, but there could hypothetically be a growing or preventable trend with Islamist terrorists, or their group may have a higher per capita incident rate.

 

http://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/27/14412420/terrorism-muslims-america-islam-trump

So much of President Trump’s approach to terrorism is centered on the idea that Muslims, specifically, are dangerous. It’s the thinking behind the plans he floated during the campaign to ban Muslims from entering the United States and to potentially set up a “registry” of Muslims living in the country.

These are extraordinary measures, ones that directly undermine basic American commitments to religious tolerance and liberal values. They imply that Muslim Americans pose a unique threat to the US, and that violence committed by extremists from that community is taking enormous numbers of American lives.

But that is just not true. A new study from University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill sociologist Charles Kurzman, which tallies up the data on terrorist attacks committed by Muslim Americans, shows why.

The study found that only 46 Muslim Americans (defined as “Muslims who lived in the US for an extended period”) were linked to violent extremism at home or abroad in 2016. The total Muslim American population is 3.3 million.

Of those 46, only 24 were actually implicated in a concrete terrorist plot (the others did things like attempting to travel to Syria to join ISIS). Those plots claimed 54 lives, the vast majority of which (49) came in a single attack — the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando.

The study isn’t making an apples-to-apples comparison; the more directly relevant statistic would look at whether or not Muslim Americans kill more US citizens here than any other specific political or religious group (other research has looked at that question). But Kurzman’s work vividly underscores a simple fact: Muslim Americans, in both raw terms and as a percentage of size of their total community, commit very small numbers of killings.

By contrast, roughly 11,000 Americans were killed in gun homicides in 2016 — yet Trump has never said anything about creating a registry of gun owners.

“It is flatly untrue that America is deeply threatened by violent extremism by Muslim-Americans,” David Schanzer, director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security, said in a statement accompanying the study’s release. “Attacks by Muslims accounted for only one third of one percent of all murders in America last year.”

Trump’s crackdown on Muslim rights is not a serious counterterrorism proposal
Kurzman has been conducting a version of this study every year for the past eight years, in order to get a comprehensive sense of whether jihadist movements are successfully recruiting among Muslim Americans. He found a small increase in extremist activity 2015, in the wake of ISIS’s stunning military victories the prior year, which declined in 2016.

Overall, for as long as Kurzman has done the study, the number of actual terrorist attacks committed by Muslim Americans has been exceptionally small.

“The 54 fatalities caused by Muslim-American extremists in 2016 brought the total since 9/11 to 123,” Kurzman writes. “More than 240,000 Americans were murdered over the same period.”

This year, Kurzman did something new. In light of news of a draft executive order that would indefinitely suspend entry to the US from seven Muslim-majority countries — Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somali, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen — Kurzman tried to figure out whether immigration from these countries, specifically, posed an special terrorist threat.

It didn’t. Muslim Americans with a background from these countries were not well-represented among the (very small) ranks of Muslim American terrorists.

“Since 9/11, only 23 percent of Muslim-Americans involved with violent extremist plots had family backgrounds in these seven countries,” Kurzman writes. “There have been no fatalities in the United States caused by extremists with family backgrounds in these countries.”

Immigrants of all kinds were actually underrepresented in the ranks of Muslims attracted to extremism. The following charts show the percentage of Muslim Americans from different backgrounds, on the left, and the percentage of Muslim Americans attracted to extremism from each of these backgrounds, on the right. Immigrants are clearly underrepresented:

(Charles Kurzman)
The only overrepresented group, you’ll note, are converts — people from non-Muslim backgrounds. Many of these people are likely attracted to extremism rather than Islam per se, as you can see by looking at the rates of violent extremism among non-Muslim groups.

“Between 2001 and 2015, more Americans were killed by homegrown right-wing extremists than by Islamist terrorists,” my colleague Jennifer Williams writes. “Adopting extremist views and committing horrendous acts of violence in the name of some ‘righteous’ cause, be it religion or politics or just plain old hatred, isn't something that only Muslims, or Arabs, or immigrants do.”

 

Do you want me to pull up some of your quotes?

 

We have no idea how many extremist (left, right, religious, secular) attacks have been stopped. I do know we are having more mass shootings in America than at any point in our history.

We have lost a lot of good Americans overseas fighting "Islamic terrorism" and we have directly and indirectly killed a lot of innocent people in this nebulous fight as well. I don't know what we are fighting or how we are winning. We never seemed to have any issues with Islamic/Arab political attacks here in the US until we started having major military operations over there. Our operations have not had much success other than to fuel wars and conflict.