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  1. CometsWin

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    The cat's out of the bag, way out. Now everyone should understand who constitutes a significant portion of Trump's support and why we hear the Trump dog whistles to these hate groups.

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    What You Need To Know About The Alt-Right Movement

    The presidential candidates this week accused one another of racism and bigotry, with Hillary Clinton arguing that Donald Trump's rhetoric and policies are an invitation to the "alt-right" movement.

    "This is not Conservatism as we have known it," the Democratic nominee said on Thursday during a speech in Reno, Nev. "This is not Republicanism as we have known it. These are racist ideas. These are race-baiting ideas. Anti-Muslim, anti-Immigrant, anti-women ideas –– all key tenets making up an emerging racist ideology known as the 'Alt-Right.'"

    So what, exactly, is the "alt-right"?

    The views of the alt-right are widely seen as anti-Semitic and white supremacist.

    It is mostly an online movement that uses websites, chat boards, social media and memes to spread its message. (Remember the Star of David image that Trump received criticism for retweeting? That reportedly first appeared on an alt-right message board.)

    Most of its members are young white men who see themselves first and foremost as champions of their own demographic. However, apart from their allegiance to their "tribe," as they call it, their greatest points of unity lie in what they are against: multiculturalism, immigration, feminism and, above all, political correctness.


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    "They see political correctness really as the greatest threat to their liberty," Nicole Hemmer, University of Virginia professor and author of a forthcoming book Messengers of the Right, explained on Morning Edition.

    "So, they believe saying racist or anti-Semitic things—it's is not an act of hate, but an act of freedom," she said.

    For that reason, as well as for fun and notoriety, alt-righters like to troll, prank and provoke.

    One of their favorite slams is to label someone a "cukservative," loosely translated by the Daily Caller as a cuckolded conservative, or "race traitor" who has surrendered his masculinity.

    How does the alt-right movement differ from what we think of as traditional conservatism?

    The movement's origins are traced to many conservatives' opposition to the policies of President George W. Bush, especially the U.S. invasion of Iraq (alt-righters are strictly isolationist).

    They are also suspicious of free-markets, a key tenet of conservatism, as they believe that business interests can often be in conflict with what they view as higher ideals – those of cultural preservation and homogeneity.

    Two self-proclaimed leaders of the alt-right movement — Breitbart's Allum Bokhari and Milo Yiannopoulos – recently outlined a manifesto of sorts for what group believes and who their allies are and are not. It claimed that "beltway conservatives" hate alt-right adherents even more "than Democrats or loopy progressives."

    They see themselves, rather, as "natural conservatives," with an "instinctive wariness of the foreign and the unfamiliar," Bokhari and Yiannopoulos wrote.

    What is Trump's connection to the alt-right?

    Last week, the GOP presidential nominee announced that Stephen Bannon, chairman of Breitbart News Network, which Bannon has called "the platform for the alt-right," would be his campaign's new chief executive.

    "By putting Brietbart front and center in his campaign," said Hemmer, "Trump has elevated the alt-right."


    But Hemmer suspects that Trump – and all but a small fraction of his supporters – do not pledge allegiance to the alt-right movement.

    "I think they are attracted to Trump [and] see him as a vessel for getting their ideas out there," Hemmer said.

    And Clinton is likely to continue drawing a link between Trump and the alt-right in the minds of voters.

    "She's reminding those undecided voters that whatever the new moderate face of Donald Trump might be, there are the things he has said and here are the implications of the things he said and the people who he's brought into his campaign," said Hemmer.

    How do alt-right leaders feel about Clinton's statements?

    They seem to be loving the attention. As Michelle Goldberg wrote in Slate:

    The white nationalist Richard Spencer was on vacation in Japan when he learned that Hillary Clinton was planning to give a speech about Donald Trump's ties to the so-called alt right, and he was thrilled. "It's hugely significant," Spencer told me by Skype from Kyoto. "When a presidential candidate—and indeed the presidential candidate who is leading in most polls—talks about your movement directly, I think you can safely say that you've made it."

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    Milo on the Alt-Right

    What these people do represent however is a very, very large section of the population. In America, I would say that the pro-Trump and anti-Trump people in the Republican base is probably 50/50. Maybe even now spreading over to 60 or 70 percent Trump. There’s a huge overlap in the Venn diagrams between the Alt Right and Trump supporters. This is a very significant sea change in conservatism in the West.

    You’re constantly telling us white people are the source of all evil, that white people have all this stuff to apologize for. Well you know what? We’re not that bad. We did some pretty good stuff. We did Mozart, and Rembrandt, and Descartes, and Beethoven, and Wagner, and we went to the stars, we explored the oceans, we built Western civilization.

    Can’t white people be proud of what white people have done?

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    Jared Taylor, another alt-right leader.

    Taylor has been described as a white nationalist, white supremacist and racist by civil rights groups, news media, academics studying racism in the US, and others.[6][4][5][20][21] Taylor has "strenuously rejected"[8] being called a racist, arguing that he is instead a "racialist who believes in race-realism."[22][23] He has also said he is not a white supremacist, describing himself as a "white advocate,"[24] and contends that his views on nationality and race are "moderate, commonsensical, and fully consistent with the views of most of the great statesmen and presidents of America's past."[8]

    Taylor believes that white people have their own racial interests, and that it is intellectually valid for them to protect these interests; he sees it as anomalous that non-Hispanic whites have allowed people of other races to organize themselves politically while not doing so themselves.[25] His journal American Renaissance was founded to provide such a voice for white interests.[26]

    Taylor has summarized the basis for his views in the following terms:

    Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society—language, religion, class, ideology—it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century... Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse.[27]

    He has questioned the capacity of blacks to live successfully in a civilized society. In an article on the chaos in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, Taylor wrote "when blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western Civilization—any kind of civilization—disappears. And in a crisis, civilization disappears overnight."[28] Taylor believes in a general correlation between race and intelligence, where blacks are generally less intelligent than whites, and whites are generally less intelligent than East Asians, as expressed in the controversial book The Bell Curve. Taylor has said in an interview:

    I think Asians are objectively superior to Whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society. This doesn't mean that I want America to become Asian. I think every people has a right to be itself, and this becomes clear whether we're talking about Irian Jaya or Tibet, for that matter.[29]

    In a speech delivered on May 28, 2005, to the British self-determination group, Sovereignty, Taylor said of his personal feelings to interracial marriages, "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg."[30]

    Taylor has gone on to say that "people in general if left to themselves will generally sort themselves out by race," and has said that churches, schools, and neighborhoods are examples of this.

    On immigration[edit]
    Taylor has also given support to Hans-Hermann Hoppe's attempts to persuade libertarians to oppose immigration; he generally approves of Hoppe's work, although he sees the pursuit of a society with no government at all to be "the sort of experiment one might prefer to watch in a foreign country before attempting it oneself."[31]

    On Judaism and anti-Semitism[edit]
    The SPLC notes that Taylor is unusual among far-right activists in "his lack of anti-Semitism",[32] although at times American Renaissance has welcomed neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers as contributors and participants.[32] Describing his followers' views, Taylor has said:

    Racially conscious whites tend to be suspicious of Jews for two reasons. First, Jews have been prominent in the effort to demonize any sense of white identity. Second, Zionist Jews support an ethnostate for Jews -- Israel -- while they generally promote diversity for America and Europe. This is annoying, but understandable for historical reasons.[33]

    On Donald Trump[edit]
    Taylor is a supporter of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, and has recorded robocalls to support Trump before the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary.[34][35]

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    Richard Spencer, alt-right leader


    Greg Johnson, then-editor of The Occidental Quarterly, stressed how Spencer's concept of the "Alternative Right" was to collect a variety of perspectives that are outside the purview of the American Conservative movement:[12]

    [Alternative Right] will attract the brightest 'young' conservatives and libertarians and expose them to far broader intellectual horizons, including race realism, White Nationalism, the European New Right, the Conservative Revolution, Traditionalism, neo-paganism, agrarianism, Third Positionism, anti-feminism, and right-wing anti-capitalists, ecologists, bioregionalists, and small-is-beautiful types.

    The Anti-Defamation League cited him in 2013 as "a leader in white supremacist circles", and says that since his time at The American Conservative, he has rejected conservatism, because according to Spencer, its adherents "can't or won't represent explicitly white interests".[13] In a 2016 interview for Time, Spencer said that he rejected white supremacy and slavery of nonwhites, preferring to establish a white ethnostate.[14]
     
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  2. RocketsLegend

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    alt right movement gained momentum in the past 5 years are so. What attributed to the movement? It's mostly due to hate crime against whites , the media silence plus the increase anti-white white sentiment and political correctness. What the really kicked started this movement was the book "White Girl Bleed a Lot".

    The riots and losing power within the country is fueling this movement.
     
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    You aren't even ****ing white! lmao. They will lynch you even if you wear a trump/swastika shirt! You can fight for their America all you want but you will never be part of their America.
     
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    over exaggerating much? You have no idea what "their America" is.
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

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    Go to reddit /r/altright

    They make it very clear what their mission is. It's racial "realism" meaning the gov should allow segregation. They believe is preserving the protestant, european race. They don't want you're kind to mix with theirs. Do your research.
     
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    Wish some people here would join the Alt-F4 movement.
     
  9. RocketsLegend

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    They do make good points tho. We're seeing their culture diminish drastically. Whites are the only race that welcome multiculturalism and even encourage it. Meanwhile, when you look at other 1st world non-white countries like Japan and China, they are 100 percent against it. Why do you think that is? Because multiculturalism hurts ethnic cultures.
     
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    What race or ethnicity is RocketsLegend? I must have missed that thread.
     
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    Rofl there's no ****ing way this RL guy is serious. I'm gonna have to go with SF3 and say that's a 100% troll account by someone else.
     
  12. RocketsLegend

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    I speak the truth. Some people don't like it when they're faced with logic.
     
  13. CometsWin

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    According to the alt-right, when you came here from Iran you contributed to destroying America. They want you to go back.
     
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    So you are going to start using logic, and stop repeatedly trying to use logical fallacies in presenting your evidence?
     
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    So educational to learn how Klan minded people have tried to rebrand themselves through the Internet.


    The Alt-Right Dictionary: 7 Terms You Need to Know
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/the...to-understand-trumps-most-hateful-supporters/


    Since Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump went public with his embrace of the so-called “alternative right”—which happened when he hired alt-right promoter Stephen K. Bannon as his campaign chief—the self-styled renegade offshoot of cultural conservatism is getting a whole lot of attention.

    What’s so renegade about the alt-right? It puts on bold display the racism and misogyny that has always fueled the so-called conservative movement, but which has typically been rationalized through themes involving the word “freedom,” employed to justify a right to discriminate, whether against members of races or creeds other than your own, or by gender, sexual orientation or gender identity. The alt-right hordes on Twitter and other internet haunts dispense with the obfuscation, declaring the superiority of white people and demonstrating contempt for blacks and Jews, hating on women, and preposterously whining that they are the targets of a “white genocide.”

    The alt-right encompasses a range of right-wing hate groups and ideologies, from the Neo-Nazi Daily Stormer crowd to the more buttoned-down wanna-be-wonks at the National Policy Institute. As Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton prepared to deliver a speech Thursday devoted to Trump’s exploitation of the alt-right, the movement’s denizens erupted in a stream of vitriol and fevered attempts to define their own movement before Clinton’s definition took hold.

    Like all political movements, the alt-right has its own lexicon and memes, as well as its own interpretation of news events. Below you’ll find a brief list of terms you may use as a guide if you care to visit the swamps in which adherents to this 21st-century version of white supremacist ideology reside.

    1. Alt-right. As Julie Andrews once sang before her character fled the Nazis: “Let’s start at the very beginning.” The term “alt-right” is shorthand for “alternative right.” Just as, say, alt folk musicians envisioned themselves as a more modern, hipper iteration of the Dylan-era folk music that preceded them (which really wasn’t folk music at all, but I digress), alt-righties perceive their movement to be the tweaked-for-millennial-consumption adaptation of the ideologies professed by such uncool paleoconservatives as Cranky Uncle Pat Buchanan and Klanboy David Duke.

    There are, however, disagreements among alt-righties on the scope of their hatred. The self-parodying Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos, for example, wears his gay identity as a badge, even as he spews vitriol against Muslims and blacks. Others who wear the alt-right label, such as the Daily Stormer’s Andrew Anglin, spurn Yiannopoulos as a “degenerate.” Yiannopoulos’ latest badge of courage is being banned by Twitter for his racist dogging of actor/comedian Leslie Jones, a star of the all-female reboot of Ghostbusters. (Since then, Jones’ personal accounts have been hacked in a brutal cyberattack.)

    One form of hatred that appears to unite alt-righties? Misogyny. Man, do they hate feminists! Yiannopoulos even did a lecture tour titled, “Feminism is cancer.”

    Gearing up a Twitter offensive in advance of Hillary Clinton’s speech in Reno about the alt-right, #altright members on Twitter set out to define their own movement.

    “#AltRight means you don’t think a room full of white males is a problem to be fixed,” wrote @hateful_heritic.

    “#AltRightMeans it’s time to oppose HUD/Section8 housing moving blacks into the suburbs. Save our White neighborhoods”, added@_AltRight_, with an accompanying photo of a lone white man in a swimming pool, surrounded by dark-skinned people.


    2. Cuck. Short for “cuckservative,” a derogatory term used to describe self-described conservatives whom alt-righties deem to have rolled over when establishment Republicans demanded they toe the party line, or who have succumbed to the alt-right view of “political correctness,” which basically means the rejection of racist, misogynist or anti-gay epithets. The roots of “cuck” are in the patriarchal word cuckold, a man whose wife has sex with another man. Sometimes in modern usage, it means a man who likes to watch his female partner have sex with another man.

    Cuck can be a noun or a verb, replete with schoolboy giggles over its rhyming with f**k. Alt-righties often describe themselves as “uncucked,” which seems a perverse permutation of former presidential candidate Shirley Chisholm’s description of herself as “unbought and unbossed.” (Chisholm was the first black candidate to run for the presidential nomination of one of the two major political parties, and one of the first women to do so.*) In defense of the term, Milo Yiannopoulos (who is British) wrote a post on Breitbart News titled, “‘Cuckservative’ Is a Gloriously Effective Insult That Should Not Be Slurred, Demonised, or Ridiculed.”


    3. Glorious. To alt-righties, this appears to be the superlative of adjectives, applied to many things other than the term cuckservative, harkening back to the rhetoric of the Third Reich. (In the book Catastrophe and Meaning: The Holocaust and the Twentieth Century, authors Moishe Postone and Eric L. Santner trace the evolution of the term “glory” from the World War I appellation “fields of glory” to its use by Nazis in describing the mass murder of Jews in World War II.)

    The Daily Stormer website routinely refers to Trump as “Our Glorious Leader,” as in the post, “Our Glorious Leader Calls for a Ban on All Moslems,” and “Glorious Leader Donald Trump Refuses to Denounce Daily Stormer Troll Army,” a reference to the antisemitic trolling of GQ writer Julia Ioffe after she wrote an article on Trump’s wife, Melania. In an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Trump declined to renounce the trolling, which included death threats.

    Twitter user @_AltRight_ insists that Trump’s #DeportationForce will be “glorious.” In fact, there’s a whole lotta “glorious” ugliness in her Twitter feed.



    4. Pepe. Pepe the Frog was once the generic mascot of the anonymous message-board site 4chan, one of the internet hollows where the alt-right first congregated. The alt-right glommed on to it, creating all manner of memes depicting it, even in the uniform of an SS officer and most famously as the face of Donald Trump. Vice’s Roisin Kiebard explains it all.

    As alt-righties geared up for Clinton’s speech about Trump’s alliance with the alt-right, a gif appeared in the #altright feed featuring the image of a white hand feeding Pepe-shaped bullets into the magazine clip of an assault rifle.



    5. Rare Pepe. According to the Daily Beast’s indispensable Olivia Nuzzi, the term “rare Pepe” means “an ironic categorization for certain versions of the meme: Pepe, his eyes red and irises swastika-shaped, against a trippy rainbow backdrop.” The irony apparently stems from 4chan’s attempts to purge Pepe once the frog became an alt-right racist.



    6. Normie. In alt-right-speak, this means anybody who’s not part of the alt-right. Alternatively, it means anyone who’s not part of 4chan/Reddit culture.



    7. White genocide. A common theme in alt-right tweets and rants, in which the admission of non-white immigrants to the U.S. or Europe is characterized as the destruction of the white race. Other forms of so-called “white genocide” include racial mixing and the adoption of non-white babies by white people. Such adoptive parents are deemed to be “race traitors.”
     
  16. RocketsLegend

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    Show proof that I did that
     
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    Lol. They are overly paranoid, white people aren't going any where.

    But this is funny because I'm pretty sure they would throw you out of the country. Alt Right folks are all into old Psuedo-science race stuff so if you aren't "Pure" enough for them then the best you can do is "Cuck" for them.
     
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    The 'alt-right' is the rest of the right you don't see in mainstream conservatism so obv. you'll see even the most extreme viewpoints but most of it isn't advocating for a racially pure country.

    But, wow, I didn't see any actual alt-right ideas in the OP, just new excuses to dismiss them by screaming 'racists, misogynists and homophobes'. You sure do understand the alt-right. So, here, I'll give you a bone to pick on:

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    America is only 60% white now.
     
  20. JayGoogle

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    And? America is about 13% black, 5% Asian, 17% Hispanic...

    What's the big deal? Is it mandated that White people must always have a % of people in America? Have you found anything that would suggest there is some secret genocide against White people?
     
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