Training Camp/ Preseason Fodder Thread

Mostly due to the fact he's a linebacker.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McKinney showing some good work on pass pro vs the back. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628352486638641152">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Jeff Adams at LG is interesting. Looking forward to watching him in the preseason.

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watt and Newton already gettin after it. Good early contact today. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628346750697213952">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mumphery drops a pass right in his hands from Mallett. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628347213685493760">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andre Hal with some nice coverage on Denham. Knock the ball loose in mid catch. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <ahref="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628351236832542720">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Darryl Morris sticking Blue in run support. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628347138548699136">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This. <a href="https://t.co/M1cJDj0t2n">https://t.co/M1cJDj0t2n</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628351876744916992">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cushing runs right through Grimes in pass pro drills. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628352253422755844">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kevin Johnson intercepts Mallett. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628352865761800192">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hilliard shakes Cushing in mid route to get open for an easy catch. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628353262056386560">August 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince dominating early. One arms Blue in the hole, Cush and Mo clean up. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628355448819716096">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McKinney playing downhill. Filling nice on the backside gap to get Grimes. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628355619200696320">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Benardick McKinney shining early. Playing downhill non-stop and attacking the ball. In his element. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628356216566079489">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Charles James and Jaelen Strong locking up on the far field. James is a scrapper. They were working on blocking. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628357059109498880">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Jones once again controlling Wilfork. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628360510937825280">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Jones stood out in pass pro. Newton and Brown also doing what they do. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628360742660517889">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaelen Strong is here. Nice route and ball from Mallett there. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628361978055016448">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam McLeod worked over Brandon Brooks. Nice little pass rush move. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628360946944118784">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam McLeod worked over Brandon Brooks. Nice little pass rush move. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628360946944118784">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pettinato with the pass deflection at the LOS. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628362446877528064">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Savage with a nice throw to Strong. Right over the top of the defender. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628362938445762560">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rahim Moore lowers the hit on Hilliard. Gets Cushing excited in the process. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628363828447674368">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mercilus just wrecked Newton into Hoyer. Play blown dead. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628363967627329536">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McKinney likes this full pads thing. Not turning down any contact out there. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628364301921726464">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hilliard not shying away from contact. Looks to run over defenders. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628364949018951680">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eddie Pleasant not shying away from contact today either. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628365564545597444">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rahim Moore can scoot. Adds definite speed to the secondary. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628366027043176448">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Benardrick McKinney is showing something today. All over the field. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a></p>&mdash; PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/628373622105640960">August 4, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

I heard Alfred Blue got taken off the field on a cart.

 

I heard it was just cramps

 

Was there for most of camp until my brother and his wife started to argue, should have taken my own car.

Anyway, From what I saw, Jones is looking good at center, especially what I saw from him in 1v1 with Wilfork. Wilfork though has a mean first step, and is pretty agile. Nix in the same drills looks like he's in quick sand.

Crick looks nearly as good as Watt in drills, didn't stay long enough for 11 on 11s to see what he did in live situations.

Cush looks good going down hill, but in dropping back to cover he looks slow and lost. He was getting worked by guys I didn't even recognize. Mercilous however has looked real solid in coverage. Breaking up a couple passes and never getting beat. He's sticking to his guys well. Didn't get to see much of Mckinney however.

If anyone's got any questions about other guys I'll try and answer what I saw. I'll try and post pictures later.

 

The receivers?

 

Hopkins is looking his typical self. Nate Washington actually looks pretty good, better than I thought for his age. Didn't really notice much of Shorts. Strong looks big against our DBs, not afraid of contact in challenged catches. Only thing I saw from Keshawn Martin and Demaris Johnson is that they we're mostly working special teams and I only figure one of them at the most to make the roster (More likely Demaris). Labhart still catches everything, but he seems to be on the outside looking in with his 3rd team reps and maybe not having the speed he needs for his size.

TE wise, I like what I saw from CJ. Contact is something he isn't afraid of, but it takes him some time to get up to speed. Graham didn't seem to do much from what I saw, and Griffin was all but non-existant. McFarland was a suprise with his size and quickness for such a big guy, was beating coverage 1v1 repeatedly.

Chris Nield the new NT looks like a tiny little lumberjack. Dude gets real low on blocks, almost too low.

Quess looks like he's slowly getting weight back on his frame. Kept yelling out his name and congratulating him on his cancer fight, he did a little waive. I would guess he may be activated late in the year. But he's looking healthy.

As for our O'line, I think we'll be good in every spot but LG. Newton looks bigger/stronger, Brooks looks like his normal badass self. Jones is looking good and Brown looks swol as hell now. Much bigger looking than last year. But at LG I haven't seen anyone that stands out. Sua'Filo doesn't seem to be taking the next step, He was getting own by Wilfork/Watt during 1v1, and I mean owned. Sadly didn't get to see much else from the guards from my vantage point.

D'line looks like it could be something special. Watt is his usually self, Wilfork doesn't look his age, and Crick seems to be looking good. I like what I've seen in Covington and Pagan, of which the later looks BIG. Dude seems to have been pumping mad iron. I didn't see much from Nix to make a judgement on him, but I would expect to see him develop now that he's finally able to practice.

LB's look like an improved unit even with just the addition of Mckinney, the extra year in the system looks to have helped. Coverage situations look good, especially from the OLB position. Mckinney looks like a monster attacking the Middle, Its just funny because you don't expect it from his physique. He's not that jacked or cut for a typical LB. Still big though. Everyone seems to be holding their ground, I just hope Cush gets it together in coverage, He didn't look too great. Might of just not been his night.

Sadly didn't get to see much of the RBs at all.

Kickers look good if you're not expecting Randy to make the squad. Lechler looks himself. I would expect them to bring in a Vet kicker real soon if Randy doesn't get it together. Looking more like he's leaving up to his nickname "Fat Randy". I mean if you're a paid athlete, don't come into camp looking like a WoW player coming out of their parents basement looking for their next hotpocket binge. It's depressing, just hope it comes around after how solid he was last year.

QB's didn't impress me. Mallet missed targets, Hoyer underthrew, and Savage was working with less talented players. What I did like was how much more vocal Savage seemed to be vs Hoyer/Mallet. He was much more audible than either of the other guys. Trying to be much more commanding. It was really nice to see. The other guys just weren't as intense as you would have wished a franchise qb would be.

 

XSF needs to step up. Fair or not, he's the guy you took versus getting a another QB that could be developed and someone everybody expected to help anchor the left side of the line for the next decade.

Maybe McKinney can finally break the second round futility streak. Hoping O'Brien gives Savage some first team reps just to see if he can at least duplicate what Hoyer/Mallet are showing.

 

It was Randy's only bad day btw. He was playing well the first 2 days

 

Yeah, the best qb performance of TC so far was Mallet with the 1s yesterday. Today he didn't look that great, and neither did Hoyer. Savage was probably the better qb today, even though he isn't getting a shot with the 1s.

And as for Clowney, he was in a cuttoff tee and shorts, mostly stretching and in the defensive huddles, didn't see him doing anything on his own though. Probably missed that.

As far as rooking picks, Kevin Johnson is looking good. Very fluid, and isn't letting anyone pass him by. Showed up well with his INT against Mallet. Completely blanketed Strong. Mckinney is looking good, didn't catch much of him in coverage, but in base packages against the run he looks stout. Strong is having a pretty good camp from what I've seen. Has very good body control in tight coverage. And his dedication to coming back to camp in shape is nice to see.

Missed Mumphrey most of practice, Guess I wasn't looking hard enough or something. But I hear he's doing well. Cliet got hurt, no clue what happen. But when he was in he really showed nothing in pass rush. Very weak upper body, can't get off blocks. Covington looks the part, but I didn't get to see much of him beyond 1v1. I like the kid. And besides Hilliard completely schooling Cush today, I didn't see a whole lot more.

There's a ton of crap going on all the time, so It's hard to focus on everyone at all times. Especially with the limited ability to move around for other vantage points. Would be awesome to be credentialed media for the views alone.

 

So far he's the only kicker to miss. I just don't like his body language. Lechler walks around like he's a boss, and then here comes Randy slumping around like a fan put on a uniform and is walking around trying not to get noticed.

I'm just hoping for a vet to come in and push him.

 

The Hard Knocks crew didn't seem all that intrusive either. They seemed to stay out of the way, and really just blended into the background. I don't see how they would be a major distraction. But from what I saw them recording, expect a WHOLE lot of a Watt. They pretty much have an entire camera/mic crew following his every footstep.

 

That's not good, Watt hates attention!

 

Quotes from O'Brien after day 3 of training camp:

Head Coach Bill O’Brien

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(on the new technology the team is using on helmets) “That’s something that we just kind of discovered over the summer. I think myself, George Godsey- Godsey said they were using them down at Central Florida, when he was home there for vacation and stopped by and they were using them. It seems to be a pretty good tool. What it is it’s a camera, so you’re able to see what the guy’s looking at. I think we’ve put them on Tom Savage. I don’t think we’ve put them on (Ryan) Mallett or (Brian) Hoyer yet. But we watch the tape with them and coach their eyes because that’s so important at quarterback, whether you’re making a MIKE (linebacker) point or you’re reading coverage or whatever it is. It’s been a good tool so far. I don’t know if I would label that virtual. That is reality, you know what I mean? Because that’s exactly what they’re looking at.”

(on if it’s like a live camera) “Yeah, it’s like a tiny one.”

(on if they were using the camera’s yesterday) “I think so, I don’t know. (George) Godsey puts- yeah, those yellow shades. (Brian) Cushing’s busting his chops about them. He thinks they should be silver rims.”

(on how it helps to look at what the quarterback is looking at) “That’s right, right. A lot of times, like with young quarterbacks especially, like right before the snap for example, they may look down at the ground just to make sure they’re getting the snap. When you take your eyes off the defense, that’s a tough thing because then you have to relocate the safety or the linebacker or whatever you’re read is on that play. It looks thus far to be a decent coaching tool.”

(on WR Nate Washington) “Yeah, this guy came into the league in ’05, I believe. He’s in great shape. He brings a positive attitude to our team, our locker room every day. He’s a pro’s pro. He practices every day. He’s out there. He’s a good route runner. He’s got good hands. He’s learned our offense really well. So, we’ve really enjoyed having him here.”

(on TE Mike McFarland) “Yeah, there’s a lot of impressive physical specimens in the NFL, so it comes down to execution, getting better every day. He’s a good kid. He wants to be good. He’s learning the game at this level. It’s not easy. He shows flashes in the passing game of being a guy that can catch the ball. He’s got good, long arms, things like that. But he’s got a long ways to go.”

(on the night practice atmosphere) “I thought it was good, yeah. I thought it was good. The players came out ready to go. The first day in pads, long practice. These guys were grinding it out, so I thought it was a good atmosphere. The fans here are awesome. The Hard Knocks guys told me that this is the best fan support that they’ve seen at all the training camps that they’ve covered.”

(on if he will continue the tradition of night practices) “I think we’ll mix in some. We play at different times during the year, most of the time we play at noon. But a lot of times we have night games and sometimes we have night games, sometimes afternoon games, so I like to mix it up a little bit.”

(on if it helps to change the practice schedule) “Yeah, a little bit out of the routine. Change it up a little bit, yeah.”

(on Defensive Coordinator Romeo Crennel) “Well right from day one he’s been the guy that I thought he would be. He’s a very bright guy. He’s been around the league a long time. He’s got lot of experience coaching different positions, been a coordinator at different places, been a head coach, so I can bounce things off him in that regard sometimes. As far as working with our defense, the players really respect him. He puts them in good positions to make plays. He does a lot, he demands a lot of those guys, and those guys respond to him. That’s what you’re looking for from a defensive coordinator.”

(on where OL Xavier Su’a-Filo stands right now) “You know we’re mixing and matching. I say he’s in there competing at the guard spot with (Jeff) Adams, and (Brandon) Brooks, all those guys, (Greg) Mancz, we throw Mancz in there at guard. Xavier is competing. We’ll see how he did tonight. He’s a good kid. I believe in Xavier. I just want him to keep improving.”

(on how the first day of full pads went) “I think it was a typical first day. I thought the guys worked really hard. I think it was a very grind-it-out type of practice, and the guys came ready to go, but it was typical. They haven't been in pads in a long time. There’s no pads in the spring, obviously we’re not around these guys for five weeks in the summertime. I think, especially with the younger players, you wish you had a little bit more time to work with the younger players, but you don’t, that’s the rules of the CBA. For the first day in full pads having not been in full pads in a long time, I was pleased with the effort.”

(on TE Mike McFarland not having as many drops in training camp as he did in the offseason) “I don’t know, I’d say this, I think the guy’s got good hands. I think there’s a lot of areas he can improve in, I think he’s working hard to get better.”

(on RB Arian Foster’s health) “We’ve got to monitor Arian, like I told you guys that in the offseason and I think that’s what that’s all about today.”

(on announcing the starting quarterback) “Eventually I will tell you who it is. I am not going to keep it a secret. When we are ready to make a decision, I will tell you who it is.”

(on having SEAL Mark Owen speak to the team today) “It was great. He came in and I think there are so many parallels. If you read his books, there are so many parallels between football and being a SEAL and a member of that elite team, that SEAL team six. That is like the ultimate pro bowl of the seal team. He came in here and spoke to us for a while and did a great job with the team. I believe that it really resonated with the team and I think that’s a good thing.”

(on former NFL player Willie McGinest speaking to the team) “He spoke to us a little bit this afternoon. It is always great to see Willie. You know Willie is getting inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame on Wednesday and that’s a big honor. That is a big time honor for him and he deserves all of those accolades. He is a great guy and has become a good friend of mine since I have been a head coach in this league. When I was in New England, obviously he wasn’t there when I was there, but they spoke so highly of him when I was there that we all knew how much respect everyone had for him. It is always good to see him down here.”

(on Willie McGinest’s influence on LB Jadeveon Clowney) “I think you would have to ask them. Willie comes down and he played that position like you said, and he talks to him. He goes over there and gets on a knee and talks to him. I think that is a good thing. I don’t know really what they talk about, but I am sure JD is listening. There is a guy who has played 15 years, all-time leading playoff sack leader, he is a winner, a champion. I am sure he has some good words of wisdom for JD. You would have to ask them though.”

(on LB Benardrick McKinney and LB Mike Mohamed) “Yes, certainly. You know those guys, you know, (Benardrick) McKinney is a mike linebacker and a true mike linebacker and Mike Mohamed is what we would call basically a will linebacker and so they’re different skill sets and Michael is such a steady player for us. It’s always good to see him in there and I think McKinney is getting better every day.”

(on working with LB Coach Mike Vrabel) “Yeah, he’s a hell of a coach. He’s a really good coach and he is hands on. He does the drills right with them. He played the position, the outside position and he also played some on the inside when he was in New England because he was a versatile guy, so he knows the defense very well, he’s got a great way of communicating with his players and his players have a ton of respect for him, and he is, he’s very hands on which is good to see.”

(on LB Reshard Cliett) “No, no update yet, no.”

(on WR Alan Bonner) “Yeah, Alan (Bonner). Alan can run. The big thing with Alan is staying healthy. If Alan can stay healthy and be out there a lot, that’s good. That’s good for him. He’s got speed, he’s got quickness, he’s got good hands. It’s a very, very competitive spot there, that position, that wide receiver position, so the guys that are competing, they need to stay out there, stay healthy, and that’s what Alan is trying to do.”

(on the wide receiver spot) “I would say right now, if we were to line up right now, we would probably go with obviously (DeAndre) Hopkins and then probably (Nate) Washington right now, but we mix and match a lot. (Cecil) Shorts has had a really good training camp. I think some of these younger guys have come on strong. Jaelen Strong has had a good training camp so far. He’s done some nice things. He keeps improving. He’ll be in decent shape for a rookie so that’s good, so I think there’s a lot of guys that are doing a good job out there. That’s a competitive position.”

 

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Thanks for the updates.