Tillerson Incredulously Snubs NATO annual meeting for Russia

Maybe you should learn, before making moronic statements like "pay up" that make no sense. At least you admit you are clueless about the things you have opinions on.

 

Actually, Trump scrapping the TPP did more harm to the US and strengthened China in the Pacific than anything else that happened in the last 8 years. Of course, you don't actually know about anything you're talking about, so you wouldn't remotely understand how any of this works.

 

Judging by the eloquence of your explanation on how all these things work, I'll place you in the same camp as myself.

 

Let's just start with the attack on the U.S. on 9/11. Our NATO allies were then and still are with us in Afghanistan. They provided support, services, logistics, manpower, troops, etc. to aid the United States.

So the U.S. also draws on the resources of our NATO allies. It isn't a one way street. That's for starters. Then add to that the fact that you don't understand how the pay structure is organized for NATO and have a misconception about people not paying their dues in NATO so much so, that your complaint doesn't really even make sense. There are articles that have been posted that can help you understand about what you are speaking. The only thing clear right now is that you don't understand.

 

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And China did Trump a favor approving his trademark for Trump escort services and massage parlors among other things.

 

Good lord. Did you actually post that? You are either breathtakingly ignorant, or a simple minded troll. With all due respect.

 

This isn't the first time that he's posted something that goes beyond just being wrong... It actually makes no sense at all. It's very hard to try and have a discussion, when the basic facts of a situation haven't been grasped.

 

I know. I actually struggle to keep from putting more members like him on ignore. While I love talking politics not matter which side the other fellow is on, and generally enjoy the back and forth with those I disagree with more than simply having conversations with those I agree with, far too many here on the "other side" aren't thinking for themselves. They're simply repeating what they read on what I would consider a fringe website spouting "alternate facts." For me, that isn't a conversation. It's become an irritating waste of time.

 

Well, here we go again.

Nothing sends chills down the spine of you adversary quite like saying "we're not going to spend the money necessary to defend ourselves."

Shows you how much they value NATO.

 

You should stick to the climate change denial stuff so that you can contain your embarassment levels to one political area.

 

Again with the NATO is a welfare queen line of attacks. The US exclusively benefited more from the NATO arrangement than any other member. The airbases, forward deployments, missiles stockpiled along the Iron Curtain, strategic and military resources the US received allowed for massive global power projection and continued US hegemony into the 21st century all because Europe was trying to avoid WWIII.

 

I would argue all of those European countries who weren't conquered by Russia benefited more from NATO than anyone else. NATO being pretty much the only thing that stopped Russian advancement. Ask Ukraine if they would have benefited more than the US from being in NATO....well what's left of it anyway.

 

No doubt, but NATO allowed the US to project force and "occupy" countries that bordered the USSR. Who benefited most? I'm not sure--ostensibly Western Europe as they had a shield of tanks, aircraft and infantry all ready to resist the eastern hordes. But it's their countries that would have been ground into dust had the improbable conventional war erupted. Makes me want reread Red Storm Rising to get that old Cold War feeling in the pit of my stomach again...