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The Plight of the Rohingya People

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. ChrisBosh

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    WTF is this stone age mentality that they are from such and such from some time ago and they should go back from where they are from....i know you are a racist islamaphobic loner, but that's no excuse for your crappy comments, actually I take that back, that's probably why. Can't believe idiots here are justifying genocide, pathetic idiots.
     
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  2. Exiled

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    Nostalgia to genocides ,Nazi's glorious days
     
  3. Cohete Rojo

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    The "West"?

     
  4. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Figure out why they were firing fireworks?

    Moving them out is fine in that case for safety of all. But killing them, especially indiscriminately, in the process isn't. The level of killing has been called as "ethnic cleansing" by the UN. You do have a choice to not kill.
     
  5. Deckard

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    You do realize that Bangladesh is one of the world's poorest countries, right? That Burma pushing 800,000 people who spent their entire lives there into Bangladesh is ethnic cleansing, right? If you don't, wake up and smell the coffee.
     
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    This disaster is all due to a power play between the military and the government. The military who has lost its political power is the one who instigated all this to create problems and find the chance for a new dictatorship, and the government didn't have the power to oppose it.

    We already have venezuelan and costa ricans lately arriving from Turkey, only a matter of time before Europe is infested by those refugees as well.
     
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-withdraws-military-aid-from-myanmar/ar-AAtYAvK?li=BBnbcA1
    US withdraws military aid from Myanmar

    The US is withdrawing military assistance from Myanmar units over the country's treatment of its Rohingya Muslim minority in Rakhine state.

    The state department said it had also dropped travel waivers for Myanmar military officials, and was considering economic sanctions.

    Almost a million Rohingya people have fled Myanmar for Bangladesh, Bangladesh's envoy to the UN says.

    Myanmar's military says it is fighting militants and not targeting civilians.
    More at link.
     
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    I think that's a positive step. I will give the Trump administration a passing grade on this move.
     
  9. glynch

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    Good article about Israel being the arms seller of last resort by unsavory human rights violating regimes that even the usual arms merchant countries like the US find too brutal to supply such as Myanmar at present wrt to the Rohynga.
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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...arms-trade-rogue-regimes-171022100816302.html

    "Many Western states sell arms, but what's unique about Israel is that, wherever war crimes and crimes against humanity are being committed, you find Israel is present," Mack told Al Jazeera.


    As well as fuelling the current violence in Myanmar and South Sudan, Israel has been accused of clandestinely providing arms used in notorious past episodes of genocide and ethnic cleansing in places such as Rwanda, the Balkans, Chile, Argentina, Sri Lanka, Haiti, El Salvador and Nicaragua. Israel also cultivated close ties to apartheid South Africa, Mack noted.

    "If countries want the best arms, then they probably go to the US and Europe. But when no one else will sell to you, then you turn to Israel," he told Al Jazeera
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Anti-semite glynch strikes again!
     
  11. glynch

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    Being against Zionist atrocities is not the same as being anti-semitic. Do some research or something.
     
  12. LosPollosHermanos

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    interesting take, but you did support what Myanmar was doing just the previous page. Why are you in support of the ethnic cleansing taking place there? Before you resort to some low intelligence insult, you'll find pretty much everybody else on this page is thinking the same thing.

    We quote not to shame fellow posters by putting abhorrent rhetoric on display like this...but to show how and why mass killings such as this have taken place. Half the fault lies in the perpetrators, and the other half with those that remain silent...and even justify the actions due to prior prejudices.


    US declaration of "ethnic cleansing" in Myanmar on way
    [​IMG] MATTHEW PENNINGTON,Associated Press 2 hours 11 minutes ago
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    A Rohingya Muslim boy Rehmat Ullaha, who crossed over from Myanmar into Bangladesh, carries a sack of rice given to him in aid at Kutupalong refugee camp, Bangladesh, Monday, Oct. 23, 2017. U.N. humanitarian officials, high-level government envoys and advocacy group leaders on Monday opened a one-day conference aimed at drumming up funds to help ethnic Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh, as the influx from Myanmar has topped 600,000 since late August. (AP Photo/Dar Yasin)
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration moved toward a condemnation of "ethnic cleansing" against Myanmar's Rohingya Muslims, as officials were preparing a recommendation for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to unequivocally use the term for the first time. Angry lawmakers on Tuesday demanded an immediate denunciation as they explored a new, tougher U.S. policy.

    "My bosses have said it appears to be ethnic cleansing. I'm of that view as well," said Patrick Murphy, a senior U.S. diplomat for Southeast Asia, while adding that the final call wasn't his to make.

    Tillerson could receive the recommendation to adopt such terminology as a matter of policy as early as this week, officials familiar with the process told The Associated Press. He would then decide whether to follow the advice of his agency's policy experts and lawyers, which would raise pressure on the U.S. government to consider new sanctions on a country that had been lauded for its democratic transition.

    At a Senate hearing Tuesday, lawmakers pressed Murphy and other administration officials to hastily clarify their view of the brutal crackdown on Muslims in Rakhine State that has caused more than 600,000 refugees to flee to Bangladesh. But U.S. officials have been weighing several factors for their policy toward the country also known as Burma, including concerns about undermining the civilian government led by Nobel Peace laureate Aung San Suu Kyi for the last 18 months.

    Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine was among those calling for a clear determination "with dispatch." Republican Sen. Bob Corker, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, emphasized it "may be time for a policy readjustment." Other lawmakers in both houses of Congress have proposed new U.S. penalties on the military, which retains significant power in Myanmar and is blamed for the violence.

    The U.S. officials, who weren't authorized to speak publicly on the internal process and requested anonymity, told the AP the State Department won't make a call yet on whether crimes against humanity have occurred in Myanmar. Such a determination would be even more detrimental to Myanmar's military, as it could force the U.S. to push harder for legal accountability.

    According to the United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention, "ethnic cleansing" isn't recognized as an independent crime under international law, unlike crimes against humanity and genocide. It surfaced in the context of the 1990s conflict in the former Yugoslavia, when a U.N. commission defined it as "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area."

    Nevertheless, Murphy stressed that "a determination of ethnic cleansing will not change our pursuit of full accountability." The issue also is sensitive because President Donald Trump will make his first official trip to Asia next month and hasn't spoken about the crisis.

    Human rights groups accuse security forces of launching a scorched-earth campaign in late August as they responded to Rohingya insurgent attacks. Amnesty International alleges that hundreds of Rohingya men, women and children have been systematically killed.

    Senators of both parties expressed outrage over the atrocities — and frustration at Washington's inability to stop them. They questioned whether former President Barack Obama prematurely lifted sanctions against the armed forces as a reward for an end to decades of direct military rule.

    "The military control Burma today," Sen. Ben Cardin, the panel's top Democrat, said. "That's unacceptable, that's why we imposed sanctions, because of military control. Sanction relief was given for what? So people can be ethnically cleansed?"

    Murphy said the U.S. has limited leverage with Myanmar's military. He described broad sanctions and more targeted measures as under consideration, but worried about hurting Myanmar's vulnerable citizens. Administration officials also fret that punishing Myanmar too forcefully could undermine Suu Kyi's government and push her country away from the United States and toward China.

    Before the latest refugee exodus, roughly 1 million Rohingya lived in Myanmar. The Buddhist majority believes they migrated illegally from Bangladesh, although many Rohingya families have lived in Myanmar for generations. They were stripped of their citizenship in 1982.

    Calls for a U.S. determination of "ethnic cleansing" have intensified, as the United Nations and leading Western governments have used the term. Six weeks ago, U.N. human rights chief Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein said it "seems a textbook example of ethnic cleansing." French President Emmanuel Macron echoed that opinion, as have leaders of many in the Muslim world.

    U.S. officials have been more reticent. Tillerson, who last week said that perpetrators will be held to account for atrocities, has referred to the violence as "characterized by many as ethnic cleansing." U.N. envoy Nikki Haley told the Security Council last month it was "a brutal, sustained campaign to cleanse the country of an ethnic minority."

    "We are not shying from the use of any appropriate terminology," Murphy told reporters later Tuesday, without revealing what the formal review would conclude.

    The recent violence already has prompted Washington to curtail already restricted ties with Myanmar's military. Two months ago, the U.S. stopped waiving visa restrictions to allow members of Myanmar's military to visit — a policy that Murphy said would also apply to commander in chief Gen. Min Aung Hlaing. The State Department announced Monday that units and officers involved in Rakhine operations are ineligible for U.S. assistance, and rescinded invitations for senior security forces to attend U.S.-sponsored events.

    Some Democratic and Republican lawmakers want tougher action, such as financial sanctions against military officials complicit in rights abuses. Restrictions on military-owned businesses that hold large stakes in Myanmar's economy are also a possibility.

    "Here we have this horrific instance, and we have virtually no voice, no pressure," said Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley, who is set to travel to Myanmar soon.

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    Associated Press writer Josh Lederman contributed to this report.
     
  13. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Who would've thought?
     

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