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The Plight of the Rohingya People

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. Mathloom

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    http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2012/06/29/burma-why-such-silence-over-muslim-genocide/

    For awareness, if nothing else.
     
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  2. IzakDavid13

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    Nice propaganda article...


    A few quotes from international

    Myanmar considers the Rohingya to be illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and denies them citizenship while Bangladesh says Rohingya have been living there for centuries and should be recognized there as citizens.

    Bangladesh ( a Muslim country) says its resources are already too strained and has refused to accept the Rohingya ( Muslims ) despite appeals from the United Nations to grant them refugee status. (ummah? What Ummah?)


    From
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...gladesh-to-protect-victims-of-myanmar-clashes

    The unrest began after an alleged rape prompted a mob of about 300 Rakhine Buddhists to murder 10 Muslims on June 3, according to New York-based Human Rights Watch. Myanmar imposed a dusk-to-dawn curfew in four towns in Rakhine and prohibited more than five people from gathering in public areas, according to the New Light of Myanmar.

    Bangladesh border guards and the nation’s coastguard yesterday prevented 500 Rohingya Muslims from entering the country in 11 boats, Major Shafiqur Rahman said. Most were women and children who traveled for as long as nine hours and lacked food and water, he said by phone yesterday.

    China supports Myanmar’s efforts to safeguard stability in Rakhine state, Xinhua reported today, citing Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin. U.K. Foreign Office Minister Jeremy Browne on June 10 called for restraint and urged British citizens to avoid all but essential travel to Rakhine state, according to a statement on the ministry’s website.

    Why does china support Myanmar's efforts to safeguard its stability? Maybe because of its own headache of dealing with the Uighurs... A few days ago...
    'A spokeswoman for the Xinjiang regional government told the BBC that the hijackers were from the Uighur MUSLIM minority group and*tried to break into the cockpit using a broken crutch as a weapon.'

    A few months ago...
    Uighur Muslim rioters burned bus passengers alive, he told the class, and they raped women and decapitated children, displaying their heads on a highway median.”

    2009...
    Over the past month, more than 400 Han Chinese have been stabbed with tainted syringes by Chinese Uighurs, the musliom minority.
    URUMQI – *China’s security chief blamed Muslim separatists Friday for a string of bizarre needle attacks that drew thousands of angry protesters into the streets as officials disclosed that five people were killed and 14 injured during demonstrations in this restive city.


    In the early 1990s, Bangladesh forcibly repatriated about 50,000 Rohingyas to Myanmar, also known as Burma, before the two countries allowed the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to observe the process, according to Human Rights Watch.

    Myanmar considers the Rohingya to be illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and denies them citizenship while Bangladesh says Rohingya have been living there for centuries and should be recognized there as citizens.

    The unrest in Myanmar was triggered by the rape and murder last month of a Buddhist girl, by three Muslims, and the June 3rd slaughter of 10 Muslims in apparent retaliation. As a result, mass violence started in Maungdaw township, when a mob of 1,000 crazed Muslims, described as ‘terrorists’ in the state media, went on a rampage and had to be restrained by armed troops.

    Business Week*The United Nations refugee agency called for Bangladesh to welcome *Rohingya Muslims fleeing violence in neighboring Myanmar. But even Muslim countries don’t want these Muslims.*Neighboring Bangladesh has turned back about 1,500 Rohingyas trying to escape by boat in recent days, according to officials there. “We are keeping our eyes open so that nobody can enter Bangladesh illegally,” police official Jahangir Alam said.

    The conflict pitting ethnic Rakhine Buddhists against stateless Rohingya Muslims in coastal Rakhine state marks some of the worst sectarian unrest recorded in Myanmar in years. *From Friday through Monday, the evening’s news report said, 21 people have been killed, 21 wounded and 1,662 houses burned down around Rakhine state.*Buddhists make up some 89 percent of the population of Myanmar, with Muslims officially representing four percent.

    On Tuesday in Sittwe, police fired live rounds into the air to disperse Rohingya Muslims who could be seen burning homes in one neighborhood. Hordes of people ran to escape the chaos.*”Smoke is billowing from many directions, and we are scared,” said Ma Thein, an ethnic Rakhine resident in Sittwe.

    In one district, police fired skyward to separate hundreds-strong mobs wielding sticks and stones; in another, soldiers helped move 1,000 Muslims by trucks to safer areas...


    It is always sad when innocent women and children get caught up in senseless violence, but when 4% of the population starts demanding statehood, is über violent, continuously rapes and pillages the surrounding Buddhist villages, it is only a matter of time before violence breaks out.

    Just saying.
     
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  3. IzakDavid13

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    .....For awareness, if nothing else.
     
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    Interesting. I've dealt with Karen refugees from Burma quite a bit, but I don't think I ever dealt with the Rohingyas.
     
  5. IzakDavid13

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    I just wish everyone could get along. I was in the Solomon Islands recently and saw the sad state of tribal warfare and hatred for each other erupt at election time.

    After the elections though, it went back to a relative calm.
     
  6. Mathloom

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    Izak,

    Do you know how long they have been there? Do you know how many of them have been killed before they committed any crimes at all?

    Do you know any population of 800,000 people in the world where you won't find these few criminal cases in such a long period of time? Do you think that because some members of their group were sick enough to engage in rape, that the whole group women and children included should be punished via mass murder, drowning at sea, etc?

    They are not Bangladeshi. They are Burmese. They came to Burma and were allowed to enter Burma because they did labor.

    You must understand the principles upon which you operate in this thread opens the Vatican up to the same criticism? Would you consider that appropriate? Of course not, no one does.

    Don't let your hatred of Islam blind you to the situation of these people. I hate religious extremists, but these people are far from extremists. Considering the standards of living, education, and development they have actually been shockingly docile.

    These are humans who are facing murder in the tens of thousands because they are stateless. I used to be stateless so I can tell you that when you are stateless, you don't give a ***** at some point if it's Bangladesh that accepts you or Myanmar, you just want to get your **** in order and move on so you can focus on your life.

    Try to find the human in yourself and distinguish the individual criminal cases from the overarching issue. It's not like the Rohingya collectively rape people. More importantly, if there is a rape epidemic, then I am even MORE worried about Rohingya women and children, who are completely isolated and have no support from any authorities at the mercy of rapists. This makes the situation all the more urgent.

    They have been there more than a century for F's sake. Do you understand what that means? That means that the original immigrants are all dead and buried, and that the current Rohingya people were born into this situation and can not find anyone who will accept them, so what do you expect them to do exactly?

    Surely there are grievances on both sides, nothing happens for no reason. But it is just illogical to deny that these people are one of the most persecuted minorities on the face of the planet, as the UN routinely points out.
     
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  7. IzakDavid13

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    I was just pointing out both sides of the story. I don't have hatred in my heart for any human being just on their beliefs alone.

    I sincerely hope and pray that the innocent people can find a better life, and I do feel compassion for the women and children who are, unfortunately in the crossfire of this racial hatred.

    I was also pointing out that Bangledesh, a Muslim country, turned its back on its fellow Muslims.

    IMO, the rape was very wrong. The retaliation ( murder of 10 muslim men ) was also wrong. This is what led to the latest unrest and violence.

    It sickens me to see children suffer because of adults prejudice and hatred, adults are supposed to be the ones educating and giving wise instruction, protection and direction.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    Mathloom playing the "we are victims" card again.

    From what I have read, the Rohingya people are in a bad situation, but it seems like neither the Muslim nor the Buddhist people in that area want them or treat them well, plus, they appear to have been radicalized and used as pawns by interested parties from the Arab region (so is it surprising that Mathloom would use them to play the victim card?).

    http://english.arakanlaywaddy.com/2...riots-in-rakhine-state-since-last-six-months/

    Bangali Rohingya has been planning the Violent Riots in Rakhine State since last six months

    The violent riots taking place today in Rakhine state has been preplanned by the armed Rohingya terrorists since last six months. It has been published in Bangladesh on 8th January 2012 by the Bangladesh Media “The Somokal” as mentioned below:

    Armed Rohingya Terrorists United: According to confirmed sources, Rohingya are collecting 500 million Bangladesh Takas for purchasing arms and ammunitions. According to the cited news, Rohingya Solidarity Organization (RSO), named as Arakan Movement, Arakan People’s Freedom Party, and Arakan Rohingya National Organization (ARNO) had been organising the said movement unitedly.
    RSO president Dr. Muhammad Yunus and other Rohingya leaders Dr. Wakar Uddin, Abul Fayaz Zilani, Nurul Islam, Salamat Ullah, Muhhammad Shafi Ullah, Nazmul Alam, called a meeting at Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and they reached an agreement to move forward the arms rioting plan under one banner of Arakan Rohingya Union (ARU) and ARU had given the responsibility of the movement to Dr. Muhammad Yunus and Abul Fayaz Zilani and Nurul Islam.
    It is learnt from the same source that after the meeting they have done fundraising and collected arms and ammunitions.
    One of the top Rohingya leaders, Salamat Ullah, came to Bangladesh during December last year from Saui Arabia and led the Rohingya extremists at Chunoti in Chittagon Region. At the same time Nazmul Alam was sent to Bangkok and Abu Siddiq Arman was appointed as co-ordinator at Cox’s Bazar area, where they established an office.
    One Rohingya leader, Nur Muhammad, was seen in Cox’s Bazar last a few days.

    A few years ago though Rohingya terrorists were not united, now they came under one banner and collected good amounts, said the same source. The terrorists made illegal trade such as drugs, human and arms traffic. Last week, too, one Rohingya terrorist has been arrested at Gorzonia with AK-47. He confessed it was to resell with Taka 400,000.00 while he purchased it with 350,000.00.

    More than one confirmed sources said Rohingya extremists collected fund by the names of NGOs. About 250 million Takas had been collected by the extremists through social NGOs such as Muslim Aid, Karuna, Imam Muslim, Darul Ansar, Sammannito Manabik Uddyog etc., at Cox’s Bazar and Bindarban region alone.

    The funds were transferred to religious organisations and extremists through Homedy network. According investigation it came to know that Imam Muslim Islamic Centre at Zhilongza was run with the extremists’ fund. It also came to know that the Director of the said centre, Hafez Sala-ul Islam, is Chief Coordinator of RSO. It is clear the extremists are operating their activities through schools, religious and social organizations.

    Ex-general Secretary of RSO, Salamat Ullah, established an Islamic School by the name of Adarsha Shikha Niketon at Kalatali at Cox’s Bazar district. Muhammad Zaber, Vice-president of RSO, and Nur Muhammad, member of RSO, were also working at that school.
    Rohingya extremists were also using the two refugee camps as their network. The illegal Rohingyas were planning to carry out their violence activities systematically at these camps. Well-known extremists at these camps are: – Ali Zohar, Haji Fazal, Rafiq Ahmad, Hafiz Nayan, Lalu Daktar, Shamsu Majhi, Hafiz Zalal, Moulana Shafiullah, Nurul Haque Mazhi, Nur Mohammad, Abdul Rashid, Mohammad Sayed, Abu Qader, Abu Yahiya, Hamid, Ruhul Amin and Abdullah Mohammad.

    Around 300 extremists are doing underground works by exposing themselves as religious men, said the same source. Most of them took military training in Afghanistan.
    According to reliable sources, Bangladesh Police would like to establish law and order at the refugees camps. However, it is very difficult to conduct such act due to International human rights organizations, said Chatradhor Tripura, the deputy Chief police officer of Cox’s Bazar district. According to him, Rohingya Terrorists are taking opportunities of this situation.
    Thus, Bangali Rohingya has been planning the Violent Riots in Rakhine State since last six months (8th January 2012). It has been published in original Bengali media as below link.

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    @alaungphra A Rakhine villager looking helpless at a house set fire by #Rohingya thugs in Sittwe, Rakine state, Myanmar. http://t.co/80iyGf0O - 2012-06-10 11:11:02
     
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    Two rohingya terrorist leaders arrested in SITTWE

    According to a source from SITTWE of Rakhine state ( Arakan ) where local rakhine people are being slaughtered and houses burnt down by Rohingya Terrorists, there were exchange of gun fires between security forces and Rohingya Terrorist today. In this afternoon, An RPG was fired at security forces by Rohingya Extremists who have been residing in the Arakan state by bribing local immigration authorities a local source says. Two Rohingya Terrorist Leaders, Dr Tun Aung and his Daughter, believed to have connection between Al Qaeda Islamic Militant Group had been arrested in SITTWE as they tried to leave the town for YANGON City.

    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-801750
     
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    Yet another interesting cluster**** caused by British colonialization and the importation of peoples from other areas to do the dirty work for them.

    Down With Whitey!





    ...Wrong thread?
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm not too familiar with the Rohingya situation but my understanding is that this isn't so much a religious conflict as an tribal conflict with religious overtones. Myanmar has for decades had problems with tribal conflicts with the one with the Karen being the worst. The Karen are also not mostly Buddhist but Christian and Animist but that conflict also seems much more along tribal lines than religious.

    Also in regard to the first part of the original article unfortunately being Buddhist doesn't guarantee non-violence or tolerance. Buddhists throughout history have fought and killed and the some of the most spectacular Buddhist temples at Angkor Thom in Cambodia commemorate victories of the Buddhist Khmer Kings over other Buddhist kingdoms in what is now Thailand and Vietnam. Even up to a few years ago Buddhist Singhalese were fighting a brutal war against Hindu Tamils in Sri Lanka with the Muslim minority of that island often victimized by both sides.

    At the same time Buddhist teaching doesn't rule out the concept of just war or justified violence. While the ideal is of compassion as with so many other religions that practiced hasn't stopped Buddhists from waging war.
     
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    IF BRITAIN WAS ANARCHY AND THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED! BAD GOVERNMENT bAD BAD GOVENRMENT! BURN IT ALL DOWN!

    /Hightop
     
  13. Mathloom

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    For your information.
     
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    It sounds like the situation is spiraling out of hand.

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-myanmar-citys-muslim-quarter?lite&ocid=msnhp
    Fears for thousands after 'near total destruction' of Myanmar city's Muslim quarter

    SITTWE, Myanmar - A human rights group expressed concern for the safety of thousands of Muslims on Saturday after revealing satellite images of a once-thriving coastal community reduced to ashes during a week of violence in western Myanmar.

    The images released by the New York-based Human Rights Watch show "near total destruction" of a predominantly Rohingya Muslim part of Kyaukpyu, one of several areas in Rakhine state where battles between Rohingyas and ethnic Rakhine Buddhists threaten to derail the former Burma's fragile democratic transition.

    More than 811 buildings and houseboats were razed in Kyaukpyu on Oct. 24, forcing many Rohingya to flee north by sea toward the state capital Sittwe, Human Rights Watch said.

    "Burma's [Myanmar’s] government urgently needs to provide security for the Rohingya in Arakan (Rakhine) State, who are under vicious attack," Phil Robertson, the group's deputy Asia director, said.

    There were widespread unconfirmed reports of boatloads of Rohingyas trying to cross the sea border to neighboring Bangladesh, which has denied them refugee status since 1992.

    No food, no water
    Rohingyas in dozens of packed boats with no food or water that have fled Kyaukpyu -- an industrial zone important to China -- and other recent hotspots were seeking access on Friday to overcrowded refugee camps around the state capital Sittwe, according to four Rohingya refugee sources.

    Some boats were blocked by security forces from reaching the shore and few Rohingyas managed to reach the camps, the sources said by telephone.

    Wan-lark foundation, an organization that has been assisting Rakhine Buddhist refugees, said no clashes in the state had been reported to them since Friday night, but dead bodies of Rakhines had been found.

    "Around 6pm last night in Kyawtyaw, the bodies of 16 Rakhines were found in the sea. They had died during the attacks on Thursday. We're looking for more bodies," representative Tun Mein Thein said on Saturday.

    The chaos suggests the reformist government is struggling to contain historic ethnic and religious tensions suppressed during nearly a half century of military rule that ended last year.

    A Rakhine government spokesman put the death toll at 112 as of Friday. But within hours state media revised it to 67 killed from Oct. 21 to 25, with 95 wounded and nearly 3,000 houses destroyed.

    The death toll could be far higher, said Human Rights Watch, citing "allegations from witnesses fleeing scenes of carnage and the government's well-documented history of underestimating figures that might lead to criticism of the state."

    The clashes come just five months after communal unrest killed more than 80 people and displaced at least 75,000 in the same region.

    'Ethnic cleansing'
    A boat carrying 120 Muslims from Kyaukpyu was intercepted by Rakhines, who killed the men and raped the women, the advocacy group Burmese Rohingya Organisation U.K. claimed in a statement. This report could not be verified, Reuters said.

    "Ethnic cleansing is happening under the noses of the international community and they are doing nothing," said Tun Khin, the group's president. "We have confirmed reports that hundreds of people have been killed and the government must be aware of that."

    Kyaukpyu is crucial to China's most strategic investment in Myanmar: Twin pipelines that will carry oil and natural gas through the town on the Bay of Bengal to China's energy-hungry western provinces.

    The United Nations has warned that Myanmar's fledgling democracy could be "irreparably damaged" by the violence.

    Rohingyas are officially stateless. Buddhist-majority Myanmar's government regards the estimated 800,000 Rohingyas in the country as illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, and not as one of the country's 135 official ethnic groups, and denies them citizenship.

    But many of those expelled from Kyaukpyu are not Rohingya but Muslims from the officially recognized Kaman minority, said Chris Lewa, director of the Rohingya advocacy group, Arakan Project. "It's not just anti-Rohingya violence anymore, it's anti-Muslim," she said.

    It was unclear what set off the latest arson and killing that started on Sunday. In June, tension flared after the rape and murder of a Buddhist woman that was blamed on Muslims, but there was no obvious spark this time.

    Rights groups such as Amnesty International have called on Myanmar to amend or repeal a 1982 citizenship law to end the Rohingyas' stateless condition.
     
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    It was found that they've been burning their own buildings in the hopes of the fire spreading to the other parts of the city.

    Why won't Bangladesh give them refugee status, aren't they of the same ummah?

    Same old story, children suffer due to adult ignorance and prejudices.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    What is the evidence that they were burning their own buildings?

    Yes Bangladesh should offer them refugee status but the Myanmar government should also step in to try to stop the fighting. Also note from the article I posted:
    [rquoter]ut many of those expelled from Kyaukpyu are not Rohingya but Muslims from the officially recognized Kaman minority, said Chris Lewa, director of the Rohingya advocacy group, Arakan Project. "It's not just anti-Rohingya violence anymore, it's anti-Muslim," she said.[/rquoter]

    So those aren't Bangladeshis but an ethnic group that has long been in Myanmar.
     
  17. Mathloom

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    It's BS. Few of these people were born in Bangladesh. People are not part of a country which shares their religion. People are from the country where they are born or where their family has lived.

    It's precisely this sick rhetoric which generates sectarian violence. It has nothing to do with race or religion. Nationality is a political issue. There is no legal reason why anyone other than Myanmar should accept these people. Perhaps if Myanmar was in the habit of removing nationality from criminals, then this would be a sound argument. But this is not the issue here. The issue here is that there is a group of people living for generations in Myanmar, most of them born in Myanmar, no one else wants them, and they have absolutely no rights as long as they remain stateless. Myanmar is at liberty to keep these people stateless, but it can not blame anyone else for taking the same morally bankrupt decision as them, and Myanmar must deal with the international condemnation since they have at least as much obligation as any other country to give these people rights.

    Maybe people don't understand what the issue is here. When stateless, you have no place to return to like illegal Mexican immigrants in the US. There is no "Self-deportation" option as Romney calls it. They can not legally get married, so no associated benefits. They are not entitled to protection under the law. They can not get legitimate jobs. They can not get business licenses. They can not protect their children. They do not get access to any health or education benefits which a citizen is eligible for. Nothing. These people have nothing. These are the underdogs. A tiny minority of these people committed violent crimes (depending on who you believe) either pre-emptively or in retaliation towards both authorities and innocent people. They were attacked both by authorities and by civilians.

    What on earth should the rest of them do? Watch their kids die while the government aggressively discriminates them to push them to leave, while they get rejected at every single border they can reach even when they leave?

    If Bangladesh says no, and Bangladeshi government are assholes... WHAT SHOULD THE ROHINGYA DO? Should they all be punished for the actions of the criminals amongst them? The women and the children and the entirely innocent families?


    Myanmar has persecuted these people for a long time now. Myanmar has not rejected the few benefits that these people have brought them through trade. Myanmar should have simply arrested the criminals (rapists, arsonists, vandalists) among the Rohingya/Myanmarese with due process. The rest of them still are due their rights from this government. There is no rational logic which leads to: some Rohingya engaged in violent crime, and this means that they are all not worthy of Myanmarese citizenship.

    IzakDavid is such a hypocrite. Perhaps if when his family immigrated to Australia and fed off the civilization built on the ruins of the Native Australians they told him to go back to his country of religion/race he would understand better. How very liberal of him to accept Australian citizenship and benefits and then side with the right-wing politics of that country, and then turn around and take a dump on perhaps the most persecuted minority in existence today.

    Maybe he can tell us, even if we set aside the adults, what the Rohingya children should do? Bangladesh won't accept them and Myanmar won't accept them. They didn't immigrate, they don't even know what a country really is. They are just born into a situation where their people, segregated by religion and race, are persecuted by a military UNIVERSALLY recognized to be unethical and unfair. A country which only now became a "democracy", while these people have been persecuted for generations.

    But surprise surprise, he thinks the big problem here is "why don't Bangladesh give them refugee status?"

    You tell us, why didn't Thailand give them refugee status when these people washed up on their shores? Why should Bangladesh, an impoverished nation, give them refugee status? What is the legal basis? Why not Australia? Why not Israel? Why not Germany?

    No one wants these people because these are no one's people but Myanmar's. No one is going to pay what Myanmar owes these people who should be their citizens. Furthermore, as long as they remain stateless, these people will be at an unfair advantage.

    Bangladesh says no, and that is a legally sound decision even though IMO morally bankrupt. So what now?
     
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    You probably should cite sources if you are going to make claims like that.
     
  19. IzakDavid13

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    The situation makes me sick, especially when innocent women and children suffer...

    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/TmGOUh--m4E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    A first hand account of what these poor people have endured at the hands of the Bangladeshis...

    Saiful Huq Omi/Polaris.

    One of the Rohingyas who was pushed back to sea by Bangladesh authorities, June 18, 2012.


    Helicopters opened fire on boats carrying Rohingya Muslims heading to Bangladesh and fleeing sectarian violence in west Burma, according to refugees who survived the sea ordeal.

    The refugees said they witnessed children drowning and starving to death during their perilous journey.

    The shooting took place after Bangladesh border guards turned back six boats of refugees as they tried to enter the country from neighbouring Burma across the river Naf to Teknaf town in the southernmost part of mainland Bangladesh, the witnesses told RFA.

    "We floated in the sea for four days and my younger brother starved to death," said Minara Begum, a 10-year-old girl, speaking through an interpreter.

    "We had six boats. Then a helicopter came and opened fire, and three boats were lost, all of those people [in them] were killed," She did not specify the exact date of the incident, which occurred earlier this month, or whether the helicopters were from Burma or Bangladesh.

    Minara Begum, who is from Sittwe, the capital of violence-hit Rakhine state in Burma, is among a group of refugees sheltered and hidden from the authorities by a Bangladeshi woman.

    The woman said she was moved by the plight of the Rohingyas, a stateless people described by the U.N. as one of the world's most persecuted minorities.

    Helicopter fire

    Mohammed Islam, a young father also from Sittwe, said he was among those who left in the group of six boats, three of which he said came under helicopter fire.

    "Because we couldn't endure the torture, we took six boats and left our homeland," he said, citing burning of homes and mosques and killings and other sectarian violence triggered in the first week of June in which he said two of his children and up to 25 of his relatives died.

    "Three [boats] were together and three became separated from the group," he said. "These three that fell behind were set on fire by the helicopters."

    "At first, we couldn’t be sure that the boats were being fired on because of the sound of our engine but then we saw the boats catch fire."

    Mohammed Islam said three children died on his boat. "We threw them into the sea because they were dead."
    Another 10-year-old girl, Nahida Begum, said she was the only child who managed to swim ashore after their boat was turned back. The vessel, carrying her grandmother and many other children, including a nursing infant, was very small, not seaworthy, and possibly took on water.

    Third attempt


    A woman, Shahra Khatun, said her boat was turned back twice and although it managed to land on its third attempt, three children on the vessel, including two of her's, died while waiting out at sea.

    "My five-year-old boy died of starvation and heat on the boat," she said. "They burned all of our homes and killed my sisters and brothers. That's why I came here," she said referring to the violence in Rakhine state which has left about 60 dead with tens of thousands displaced, according to official estimates.

    At least 2,000 Rohingyas have tried to enter Bangladesh following the violence between Muslims and Buddhists in Rakhine state in Burma since early June but most were either turned back or detained.

    In a June 18 incident cited by witnesses who spoke to RFA, the Bangladesh authorities turned back about 130 mostly young Rohingya men.

    "This is the first time I have ever done anything like this," said a Bangladesh security officer, identifying himself as Major Salif, who oversaw a feeding program for the 130 Rohingyas before they were put back on their boats and sent away.

    "According to my understanding, this [turning back the refugees] will go on for sometime but God willing it will take its natural course and settle down soon," Salif, the commanding officer at the Shapuri Dip Jetty in Teknaf, told RFA.

    Strained

    Bangladesh says its resources are already too strained and has refused to accept the Rohingyas despite appeals from the United Nations to grant them refugee status.

    Bangladeshi officials estimate that a total of 300,000 Rohingya people live in the country, with only about a tenth of them in two official refugee camps in the southern district of Cox's Bazaar.

    Burma considers the Rohingya to be illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and denies them citizenship while Bangladesh says Rohingya have been living in Burma for centuries and should be recognized there as citizens.
    http://thevoiceofrohingya.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/helicopters-fire-on-rohingya-refugees.html

    Bangladesh Prime Minister's response...

    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/3wiBbQ5TuNY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    She couldn't care less about the plight of the Rohingya, these are her fellow Muslim women and Children suffering, starving and dying.

    .

    <iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dq0fxWkIMjc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    At 1:30 the farmer talks about the Rohingya burning down their own homes, in a Saddam style scorched earth policy.

    I can't find the article that reported the Rohingya burning their own buildings, it is late Down Under, but in the video you have an eye witness account, for now.

    The UN has asked Bangladesh to accept the refugees during this time of unrest and civil violence, but they have violated international law and forced many refugees back out to sea at gunpoint, and have fired upon them via helicopter gun ships.

    A terrible situation, my heart does go out to these people...a majority is being punished for the crimes of a few.
     
  20. IzakDavid13

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    No they shouldn't be punished.


    You have no idea what you are talking about...

    Again with the personal insults and ad hominem arguments.

    Maybe a rich country of the Islamic ummah can grant them safe haven until this situation is settled...maybe Dubai? I mean it is the time of charitable giving and feast of the sacrifice, Eid al-Adha.

    BTW: Malaysia is starting to take some refugees.

    I never said that I think that Bangladesh not accepting the refugees was the big problem, that is a blatant lie and an attempt to discredit me using false allegations and insinuations...here was my quote, a question:

    See, I did not say what you inferred that I said, and you have the audacity to call me a hypocrite?
    Pot meet kettle.

    You are either an idiot, deceitful or a liar.

    Bangladesh firing upon refugees and sending them back out to sea is a direct violation of international law and moral standards. You direct so much hatred and anger towards Israel when they violate international laws, but remain silent when Bangladesh are in violation of international laws and responsible for human rights atrocities. You can't have it both ways my friend. When one country violates international laws, it is as guilty as the next.

    "I JUST HAD TO BRING UP ISRAEL !!!"
    [​IMG]
    "THIS IS THE FAULT THE JEWS !!!"


    You run some of the biggest law firms in the Emirates, why don't you tell us the legal basis and international laws concerning refugees?

    You know damn well that if the Rohingya made it to Australia they would be fed, housed and given free medical assistance until they were processed and given full refugee status.

    Then they would be given a generous amount of money on our welfare system, government housing, free education and free medical. That is basic Christian / Western fundamentals, the Golden Rule of 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'

    ANSWER THIS: Why then is the Islamic ummah not as accommodating? Why won't Muslim countries allow their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters to claim asylum, or are very reluctant to grant them refugee status in their countries?

    You ask why Bangladesh? Look on a map Einstein...it is a hop skip and a jump away. The last thing that you want starving impoverished women and children doing is taking a perilous journey by sea, in shark infested waters to get to countries 100's if not thousands of miles away. Haven't they suffered enough?

    No it's not
    Mr Legal Eagle...

    International Law and treaties are not the same as sharia law, that is probably why you got it wrong.

    Have a Happy Eid!
     
    #20 IzakDavid13, Oct 28, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2012

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