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The new Democratic senator irritating the left and delighting the GOP

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  1. jiggyfly

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    The new Democratic senator irritating the left and delighting the GOP

    Sen. Kyrsten Sinema is threatening party unity at a crucial moment. She doesn't care.

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    Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema. | M. Scott Mahaskey/POLITICO

    By BURGESS EVERETT

    10/29/2019 05:06 AM EDT

    Updated: 10/29/2019 10:04 AM EDT
    She rarely goes to party lunches and skipped Senate votes to run the Ironman. She endorsed a primary challenger against one of her own colleagues and hobnobs with Republicans at least as much as she does with her own caucus.

    Kyrsten Sinema doesn’t really fit in with her fellow Senate Democrats. Don’t even ask her whether she watches the Democratic presidential debates.

    opposed as Democratic leader during her 2018 campaign.

    Like every member of the caucus, she gets random calls from Schumer frequently enough that she can easily break into a raspy New York accent while doing a brief impression of the minority leader: “‘Sinema! What’s new?’”

    But when push comes to shove on important votes, she has a warning for party honchos: Leave her alone.

    “Everyone knows that I am very independent-minded,” she said. “And that it’s not super useful to try and convince me otherwise.”

    Sinema isn’t especially close with either Trump or Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (neither has her phone number, she said), but she doesn’t light into them the way most Democrats do. She’s working with McConnell to whip votes for repealing Obamacare’s medical device tax and said the president “certainly” knows who she is.

    And observers watching her on the Senate floor during a vote would be forgiven for thinking she’s a Republican, considering her chats with GOP senators like Majority Whip John Thune of South Dakota, Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Kevin Cramer of North Dakota.

    She spends at least as much time on the Republican side of the chamber as the Democratic half and lists Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas as an ally atop the Commerce Committee’s Aviation and Space subcommittee. Cruz returned the favor by declining to lump the Arizona Democrat in with what he sees as an increasingly socialist Democratic Party.

    “I said to her one time: Why aren’t you a Republican? … she said: ‘I just couldn’t be,’” Cramer recounted.

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    accused Sinema of saying “It’s OK to commit treason,” and Sinema said McSally was spreading "smears," there’s been no real attempt to put the past behind them.

    “There hasn’t been that conversation,” Sinema said flatly.

    Sinema isn’t out for revenge, either. She’s currently uncommitted in McSally’s campaign against Democrat Mark Kelly and has no plans to weigh in. She said her constituents “don’t care” about endorsements.

    That neutral stance might buy her goodwill with her Republican colleagues, who are in the majority, after all. But it’s another reminder that her moderate stance doesn’t play well with all Democrats. The state Democratic Party put off a censure vote against her this year, but could revive it next year.

    Rep. Raúl Grijalva, a progressive Democrat from Arizona, said Democrats were “a little thrown back” by her vote for Barr and warned her not to forget her state’s increasingly young, diverse voting population as she navigates the tricky politics of being from a swing state.

    “She runs her own thing. It worked for her getting elected. In terms of effectiveness, we’ll see,” Grijalva said. “I would be more concerned about not reflecting where the demographics in Arizona are going. And they’re going Democratic and they’re going more progressive.”



    Sinema is unmoved and might even see a censure as a badge of honor after McCain received one from the state GOP. Sinema won’t fight the effort and won’t change her positions. And if the censure resolution comes back up next year? “I don’t know. Also, don’t care.”

    Sinema’s attempt to be above the political fray is central to her identity and her goal of building relationships with as many colleagues as possible.

    Party leaders’ whip counts? Not her problem. Using her platform as senator to regularly promote her views to a national audience? Not interested. Skipping caucus lunches almost everyone else attends? She’ll be there when it matters for Arizona.

    And missing votes on the EPA chief for an Ironman race?

    “Ironman’s pretty badass. It’s awesome,” she responded when asked if she got any criticism for skipping town for New Zealand just two months into her term.

    Less awesome, in her view, is the 2020 Democratic presidential primary. And with her party fixated on beating both McSally and Trump in Arizona, Sinema’s endorsement or even guidance for candidates about how to win there could be key.

    But that’s not something she’s interested in, either. She even said it’s “premature” to commit to supporting her own party’s nominee at this point and indicated it could be months before she tunes into a debate.

    “Eventually it would be wonderful to have a candidate that shares the values of the majority of Americans,” Sinema said cryptically. “Let’s winnow the field below like, 20 or something, and then maybe it gets easier. Like, when it’s enough for two basketball teams, it’s too much.”

    Heather Caygle contributed to this report.

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    Interesting, I wish more politicians did not tow the company line.
     
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    Strange hit piece on her. She replaced Jeff Flake, who was a Republican and barely beat her Republican challenger, so it isn’t as if she’s from a heavily-fortified Dem area.

    And it isn’t as if she hasn’t followed through with her campaign. She ran as a moderate, campaigned on not voting for Schumer to lead the Senate, and generally campaigned against the establishment.

    Looking at her 538 Trump score, she’s 4th among Dems in voting with Trump at 53.4% (behind Heitkamp, Donnelly and Manchin).

    I’d say this was to try and mount a primary challenge against her, but she doesn’t come up until 2024 so what’s the point.
     
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    I don’t have any issue with a moderate approach or doing things your own way.

    Just so long as she eventually backs Mark Kelly (or whomever the eventual nominee is). Martha McSally needs to go. She lost....yet she’s a United States Senator.
     
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    Sinema was a Green and independent, and aggressively anti-war in the early '00s. She's also stated some conflicting anecdotes about being poor and living in a gas station or something. This piece didn't include any of that, to leave room for that weird call and response paragraph. Skipping fundraisers to test-ride Harleys after krav? You go girl! "Maybe when there are less of them than in a box of a dozen eggs."
     
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    How is this a hit piece?

    I thought she came off very well in that article.

    I have no idea where you are getting this.
     
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    Cool story....

    Who are the GOP equivalents of working across the aisle?
     
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    I donated to Sinema and like that she has an independent streak. Senators are supposed to be more than party creatures and have much more voice than House members. I have no problem with her following in the tradition of John McCain. The only complaint I would have is skipping votes to do Ironman. Yes Ironman is badass but you're there to do a job and like most jobs there are probably parts that aren't interesting. Also for a state like AZ with mining and air quality issues the EPA might matter to your constituents.
     
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    I think she comes off fine, if you’re a moderate or a Republican, and I thought I explained why I thought this way in the previous comment.

    This feels like an article written with the blessing of the Democratic Party leaders to try and get her to fall in line more. Hey, Ted Cruz wishes she was in the Republican Party...hey, she missed a vote to run an Ironman ...hey, she voted to confirm Barr...hey, she blows off Schumer...hey, she was almost censured by her own state...hey, she probably won’t even support the Democrat in the other upcoming Senate race.

    Guess it just depends on your viewpoint. I’m a little more cynical about certain things and this definitely looked like it was meant to try to get her more left-leaning Dem voting base to start to turn against her.
     
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    So you think giving actual facts about a person who seems to fine with how she is being portrayed as a hit piece?

    That makes no sense.

    Shouldn't her actual record cause left leaning to not vote for her?

    So do you like the fact that she is not in line with left leaning democrats?
     
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    I think you’re trying to pick words I typed out of context and trying to create a debate out of thin air. I’ve seen your other posts here and you aren’t that naive.
     
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    I am not picking certain words nor trying to create debate I don't think its a hit piece and your rational seems to be that the article is trying to shame her into toeing the democratic line.

    I don't see it.

    How is that being naive?

    You are the one picking things out of context to claim it's a hit piece IMO.
     
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    So, you think that a New York newspaper, that probably isn’t read by a large portion of citizens in Arizona (outside of those that may lean left), suddenly decides to do a feature on a freshman senator from Arizona and goes on to list the many ways that she isn’t falling in line with the Democrats, is normal. It also goes on to list how she won’t help out in the other primary for Senate in Arizona in 2020 and mentions Multiple times where people would confuse her for a Republican. Again, look at the source and the readership beyond yourself...if this was the Hill or Fox News or something, that article probably gives her a few more fans from the other side of the aisle, but I doubt many of her base is thrilled with it.

    That’s why I wrote my initial post...I was questioning why this article was being written now by the New York Times. Sinema isn’t up for re-election until 2024 so what’s the point of it. It isn’t exactly saying that more politicians should follow her lead, nor does it mention that she isn’t voting with Republicans as much as the article makes it seem; as I mentioned in that 1st post, according to 538, she’s 4th among Democrats in voting with Trump...so why no article on the other three detailing how they cross the aisle or how John Cornyn or Steve King thinks they should be “Republicans?” Why is there nothing about her votes against Trump or a profile on why she might need to vote the way she does, other than she wants to “be above the political fray.”

    I don’t have a problem with what Sinema is doing and I do agree with you and wish more politicians wouldn’t just tow the party line, but that article isn’t trying to get you to support her because of that...it’s a very subtle hit-piece to try to get her to fall in line with her party or at least get her Dem base riled up against her and maybe apply pressure. Again, consider the source and the likely left-leaning readers.

    But, if you don’t agree, it’s probably best to just agree to disagree at this point. Again, as I said before, I tend to be very cynical at times and I’m not even sure we’re arguing anything more than the purpose of an article even though we probably have similar ideologies, just different viewpoints on some of the minor details.
     
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    Seems very cavalier to skip votes to run an Ironman
     
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    When the fitbit says you're not making your steps, you listen.
     
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    The capital has lots of steps - too bad she didn't run up them to vote - her fitbit would have approved
     
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    No I don't agree and the reason to write the article is to show that all democrats are not marching in lockstep, it says more about you that you took it as a negative.

    The Hill or Fox news would not write it because that would take away from their negative that all democrats are socialist.

    You are right that article is not trying to get you to support its just stating facts what is wrong with that.

    I too am very cynical and agree that the MSM can have a bias I just don't think they have an agenda for or against certain candidates.
     
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    So...you don’t agree to disagree...so you agree to agree? But, then, you go on to disagree with me, which is it?

    An article of facts...sure...but it conveniently leaves out facts where she agrees with Democrats. Name me one area in the article that paints her in a positive light to base Democrats?

    I mean, maybe this is just a piece on a Senator bucking her party, and maybe Sinema was on board with it, but why? Maybe she’s trying to be the new “Maverick” in Arizona...that’s really the only reason I can think of, but I don’t think this article captures that.
     
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    What?

    There is no question I don't agree with you about this article.

    But you are entitled to your opinion I just think you are way off base about this article.

    I think it was just a piece on a Senator bucking her party and she would be ok with it because Arizona is a conservative state or maybe thats just who she is.

    And yes I think the article exactly captures her as the new maverick.
     

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