The Lonzo Ball thread.

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  1. Easy

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    Most busts that had been hyped were players who had freakish physical abilities. Those guys became busts because they never developed real basketball skills to put their physical attributes in good use.

    Many people still give Lonzo the benefit of the doubt because he is not particularly athletic. Ironically that in some way puts him in the disadvantage. But it also indicates that what he accomplished in college was not athleticism but skills, IQ, and court vision. Those things are usually more reliable than athleticism.

    He does need to learn to shoot. It might have something to do with his mechanic. It might also have to do with confidence, or some combination of both. And shooting is one of the few skills that can be improved even after having entered the pro level. We have seen players done that--see Kidd, Lowry. (We also have seen players who have never improved--see Rondo, Rubio.) What can't be improved significantly are handle, court vision, and rebounding instinct. Those he does not lack.
     
  2. khanhdum

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    I didn't watch any UCLA games so I don't know how he played last year but this year his "elite" passing skill includes mostly just passing off the ball off near the half court and then disappears in the corner at the 3 point line. He literally does that most of the game and when he does get assists, it's just him doing a simple pass to his teammate and they jack up a shot and it goes in. He didn't do any play making. Every now and then I see a nice look ahead transition pass but it's very rare. I have watched like 70% Lakers game because I'm intrigued on how he plays and he's such a ghost in 80% of the game.
     
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  3. Swiss Roll

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    Lonzo falls into the second group, pretty skilled, outside of shooting, with meh physical abilities, guys who fall into this group include: Mike Dunleavey, Adam Morrison, Andrea Bargnani etc
     
  4. IBTL

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    Dudes eyebrow game is out of hand
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    Adam morrison had some shooting ability
     
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  6. Swiss Roll

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    I ment to say that Lonzo is a more skill reliant player, but without the shooting ability. I compared him to those guys as skilled players without much in the athletic department, not as guys who can't shoot.
     
  7. IBTL

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    I see. But without shooting what is it lonzo has? It would still be an insult to include him in class with dunleavy.
    Ball is not rodman pulling rebounds.
    His speciality is having the most expensive retail shoes on court

    At this point to think he is any kind of leader as magic projected is absolutely laughable.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    I watched him a lot. UCLA was loaded with gifted offensive players who killed other teams after receiving those passes. It made Lonzo look a lot better than he really was. In the NBA it isn't so easy.
     
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  9. khanhdum

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    exactly, I feel like people just repeat the same lines over and over without actually watching him play. He hasn't shown any elite passing besides an occasional good pass but most of his passing is just a regular pass on the perimeter to his teammates. Maybe he does have it in him, but he has not shown it yet.
     
  10. A_3PO

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    If people want to see elite passing in a rookie, they need to watch Ben Simmons.
     
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  11. Mathrocker

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    Yall see clint with lavar on instagram? Lmao.

    Maybe lakers will throw huge money at clint this offseason
     
  12. Normalus

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    Edited.
     
  13. Swiss Roll

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    Who wouldn't buy Clint's BBB shoe?
     
  14. Normalus

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    Only guys with big balls, I guess. (ironically)
     
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    His heart isn't into pro bball.
     
  16. A_3PO

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    We all knew it would eventually happen: Lavar went rogue on the Lakers. This is totally awesome!

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...is-disgusted-and-not-used-to-losing-like-this

    LaVar Ball Says Lonzo Is 'Disgusted' and 'Not Used to Losing Like This'
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    The 8-15 Los Angeles Lakers have lost five straight games, and LaVar Ball says his son is "disgusted."

    The Ball family patriarch appeared on SiriusXM NBA Radio on Tuesday and discussed his eldest son, Lakers point guard Lonzo Ball, and Lonzo's reaction to his team's form: "He's disgusted. He's not used to losing like this. The Lakers should build around Lonzo. Why are they sitting him down and not starting him [in] the fourth quarter? This is why the record is raggedy."

    Ball didn't play in the fourth quarter of Sunday's loss to the Houston Rockets and finished with just two points on 0-of-4 shooting in 22 minutes.

    Tania Ganguli of the Los Angeles Times noted there was a reason the UCLA product sat on the bench. He experienced tightness in his calves, and head coach Luke Walton said there was no reason to push him given that the game was out of reach.

    LaVar—never shy to offer his opinion—has weighed in on the Lakers' coaching strategy already this season. In November, he told Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report: "They're soft. They don't know how to coach my son. I know how to coach him. I tell him to go get the victory. Stop messing around."

    On Monday, Chris Haynes of ESPN.com reported the Lakers were enforcing what some employees deemed the "LaVar Ball rule," which prevents media members from gathering in an area with players' families and associates after games.

    "It's not a new policy; it's an existing policy," a team spokesperson said. "There has been more media presence in that area than before. That section is strictly for family and guests of players. It's a privacy concern."

    While LaVar blamed Los Angeles' record on Lonzo's lack of playing time, the rookie has experienced shooting woes this season. He is hitting just 31.3 percent of his attempts and 25.0 percent of his threes as he adjusts to the NBA.

    He is also playing 32.9 minutes per night—third-most on the team—which suggests LaVar's angst about playing time may be misplaced.
     
  17. khanhdum

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    The only thing "raggedy" is his son's jump shot.
     
  19. asianballa23

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    the clown got excuses for everything for his kids, from stealing to being a bust, just wait til all 3 kids get tired of playing basketball for their pimpin daddy
     
  20. Rox11

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    Would it be crazy to say gelo would be doing better as a rookie at this point?
     
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