The Lonzo Ball thread.

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  1. ipaman

    ipaman Contributing Member

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    That's all it takes to be a Big Baller?
     
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  2. tinman

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    Dude, this is Louis Vutton in a FOREIGN COUNTRY.
    I'm 100% sure that UCLA advised their players about the culture and laws before they land .

    That kid who stole some poster in North Korea got killed.

    Your girlfriend knew the worse thing that could happen is that she get caught the cops would have called her parents.

    If you girlfriend did this in China, she'd star in orange is the new black . She wouldn't be that stupid in a FOREIGN Country.
     
  3. Mathrocker

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    I agree that there is a huge difference and people like you and I are aware of it.

    My point is that I wouldn’t assume ball is a terrible person because of this.

    I don’t necessarily expect an 18 year old kid to truly be aware and cognizant of the possible ramifications, no matter how much parents/coaches/teammates might warn him.
     
  4. tinman

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    I don't think he's terrible, i just think he's stupid.
    I mean, maybe my generation , we weren't stupid enough to go to communist foreign countries and try to steal designer Italian goods.

    Your girlfriend is not stupid enough to run around Saudi Arabia in a bikini is she?
     
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    You've shoplifted in a foreign country on a high-profile school trip?
    We can judge the action harshly without judging the person harshly..... two completely separate concepts.
    Even smart people do dumb things. And this is a VERY, VERY dumb thing.
    Maybe he isn't stupid, but he did a very stupid thing. There's no rationalizing that away.
     
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    Here's another scenario that might have happened. Your boy who's in a store with you, say's I'm going to put these in my pocket and walk out with them, be cool when we walk out. Do you go to jail for something he did just because you're with him. If that's the way it went down I hope the young man that did rip off those shades tells the authorities his friends weren't involved.
     
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  7. Mathrocker

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    No and she is a long time ago ex lmao.

    I’m not defending ball’s actions. Whatever happens to him is now up to the chinese government.

    My only point is that I wouldn’t put him in a box and let this incident define his character as a human being. I’m very patient and don’t necessarily believe mistakes = automatic dumbass.

    Maybe because I’m still relatively fresh off being that age, I have more patience for those type of mistakes.

    I still have a lot of memories of when either I or my friends did really dumb things without respecting the gravity of the situation.
     
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  8. tinman

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    Was it one pair of glasses or 3?
    18 year olds know that stealing is wrong.

    I agree that this is a petty crime. Like chewing gum in Singapore.
     
  9. tinman

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    I'm not defining his character. We were all stupid when we were young...

    BUT WE WERE NEVER THIS STUPID
     
  10. tinman

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    Or he feels like he's invincible and do whatever he wants.. I totally would blame that on LaVar.

    I mean, look at basketball, if his AAU team doesn't get a call, his dad pulls team from the game.

    LaVar can't do this crap to the Chinese Government.
     
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  11. Mathrocker

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    Then we aren’t really disagreeing. No doubt that this was a very stupid thing for liangelo to do.

    We all live different lives and mature at different rates. None of us know what its like to be liangelo ball. That doesn’t mean that I am offering sympathy. I am just trying to understand the situation through his perspective to the best of my ability

    This is humble pie for sure. I bet he will look both ways before crossing the street next time. If this doesn’t make him respect the concrete jungle, then nothing will.
     
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  12. tinman

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    No doubt he's learning a lesson that he's not invincible.
    Also his privilege is working to his advantage because you know if it was some poor kid from China, it would be over for him.

    I'm looking at the bigger picture thinking that some kids really think they are invincible.
    I feel bad for the kid who went to North Korea and stole a poster, but he should know that he should have never gone in the first place because they want to bomb America.

    Would some Jewish kid want to go Nazi Germany and steal some Hitler posters?
    this generation would.

    I totally blame the parents for not giving kids a sense of reality.
     
  13. Mathrocker

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    No doubt that is true. Thats why I bring up the metaphor of a kid needing to look both ways before crossing the street.

    I can also liken it to a zoo animal being put in the jungle and not respecting the fact that he isn’t the lion and there could be threats around every corner.

    He definitely has a lot of privilege. He probably has not been humbled in life as much as some other people. There are a lot worse horror stories for some kids than this situation.

    Seems that we agree in assessing the situation, i’m just more patient about condeming the parties involved.

    I’m sure you and a lot of the baby boomer generation have some memories of yourselves in the 60s feeling invincible doing something dumb lol.

    Easy Rider is one of my favorite movies hahahaha.
     
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  14. tinman

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    I'm not that old, you are thinking of heypartner

    Yes the zoo is a good analogy. Somebody has to tell their kid you can't pet the lions and tigers.
     
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    @Mathrocker boutta risk it all and post pics of the glasses thief from target
     
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  16. BigMaloe

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    I have quite a checkered past so yeah I've done worse just not on foreign soil.

    Not saying it wasn't dumb, it was. But it's a pretty normal juvenile action. They likely just didn't understand the extreme ramifications for something that is rather minor in the states.

    The action is dumb, and he will be judged accordingly because of this immature move. But the name calling he has received is a bit much, imo.
     
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  17. Mathrocker

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    She was hot bro lmao.
     
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    that's minor in the States? I personally don't know any 18 year olds that would steal from high end boutiques in Canada. I know some would steal a candy bar from Walmart though.

    It's not like these guys are trailer trash. That's not even normal juvenile action to steal things that expensive
     
  20. BigMaloe

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    Ehh...

    I mean petty theft is petty theft. Being that the items were expensive and thus carry a higher value it is upgraded to a higher level misdemeanor. But the "act" of theft is minor in the grand stand of our judicial system. Typically a couple days in jail, a fine, pay restitution and community service.

    Again, different worlds and sociological upbringing.You don't know an 18 year old who would steal, I knew 18 year olds who were stealing meat and alcohol daily, often multiple times. Either for consumption or to trade for drugs.

    None the less, I don't see how the "price of something" makes it more juvenile or not. What's the difference in stealing designer shades from louis vs stealing $5 shades from Ross? Honestly, nothing. It's the same exact "act of crime" but one carries a harsher criticism because of cost. Both would be equally dumb and deserving of criticism and judgement.
     
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