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The Formal Impeachment Inquiry of Trump

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  1. No Worries

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    I just said that the obvious play would be to declare a national emergency, or just issue an executive order to nullify and place on hold the election results. This immediately gets challenged through the courts, and shoots up to the Supreme Court within days or a couple weeks. Then the Supreme court rules one way or another which will either legitimize Trumps order, or de-legitimize it.

    I have no faith in Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito. John Roberts will likely be the deciding factor in Trump being able to stay in power for at least a temporary stay if Trump declares a national emergency regarding the election.

    Keep in mind that it is John Roberts who swears in the new President. Not Congress, or the previous President. The constitution states that once the Chief Justice swears in the new president, that new president officially takes power. I know Roberts has shown concern about the legitimacy of the court, and feel like it would be extremely unlikely that he would allow Trump to simply order the election to not be recognized.

    I can however see a challenge, and it would put the country through a complete nightmare. And I've seen no evidence that one single person who is a life long Republican cannot be pressured by the Republican infrastructure to run against Democracy if there is any way they can justify it.

    Trump staying in power isn't that far fetched if you know how fragile our democracy really is with basic norms (like not being a partisan SCOTUS) really holding up the framework. Its really just one dude who holds the lever of Democracy, and all of the big power structures (Military, Secret Service, DOJ, etc) have very little choice but to fall in line.

    If Justice Roberts rules to strike down the Executive Order, I see no way the military, secret service, etc. ignore that order from the Supreme Court, and it would be a massive moment for the country to feel like Democracy won, but that is a way (just one) that Trump could easily try and retain power with a stroke of a pen.
     
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    He has no power to do that.

    There is no executive order to nullify an election.

    The Supreme court does not have that power, if an election was somehow nullified the Speaker of the house would take over until the election is ratified at least that's what I have read.

    Trump does not just get to stay president after an election if he loses.

    Dont take this personally but you need to brush up on what actually happens in a contested election.
     
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    Wouldn't that make a mockery of the court and law in general if a type of vote like that went down right and left lines? Either a ruling like that would be lawful or would not be.
     
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    Trump has spent 1/3 of his Presidency at Trump branded properties. All you have to do is wait for the weekend. Trump will leave to play golf. Problem solved.
     
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    Unhinged...
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    The part that is of concern for repugs and us all is the tremendous amount of precedence this sets. Unless repugs are looking to install dictatorship or monarchy it appears at some point there will be a democrat president along the way. Trump has to be dealt with to that extent alone.

    Still its going to take enough repugs to cross party line and that doesnt appear likely so it will be decided at ballot box nov 2020.

    Here is the issue-
    https://www.axios.com/trump-senate-...ent-2b23249b-3552-45e8-bdbd-f1af0f9da707.html
    "Trump's Senate red wall
    Every time President Trump seems to tempt fate — like inviting China on camera yesterday to investigate the Bidens — just remember that he's counting on his red wall in the Senate to save him even if he’s impeached.

    The big picture: Here’s a visual look at just how strong that wall is: 51 Republican senators from states Trump won in 2016. He only needs 34 to save him from being convicted and removed from office if the House impeaches him.

    • So if Mitt Romney or Ben Sasse feel like voting to convict, they can and it wouldn’t make a difference.
    • The red wall doesn’t include Susan Collins or Cory Gardner, the two Republican senators from states that voted for Hillary Clinton (Maine and Colorado). Both are up for re-election next year.
    • They could vote to convict too, and it still wouldn’t matter.
    Remember that impeachment, which only takes a majority vote in the House, doesn’t end Trump’s presidency. That only happens if two thirds of the Senate votes to convict and remove him — 67 senators if they all show up.

    The catch: The wall gets weaker if you factor in Trump’s approval ratings. They’re negative in some of the states he won in 2016.

    • But even if all of those senators jumped ship — which is a stretch — he'd still have more than enough votes to block conviction. That would only change if he started to lose senators from states where he's still popular, too.
    By the numbers:

    • 36 Republican senators represent Trump states where he’s still popular. 15 of them are up for re-election.
    • 15 Republican senators represent Trump states where his approval ratings are underwater, but only 5 of them are up for re-election.
    • Trump could lose 17 senators from his red wall — or 19 Republicans if Collins and Gardner were in the mix — and still stay in office.
    The bottom line: Trump believes the combination of right-wing media backing + GOP senators' fear of crossing Trump voters will save him.

    • Right now, there are few noticeable cracks in this wall.
    "
     
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    It really doesn't matter what the law says or not it comes down to whether 67 or however many senators it is that think its an impeachable offense. Past that those same senators need to decide today if seeking foreign aid for dirt on political opponents is going to be allowed or not. Then we can have the qatari party and saudi party and ukranian party and big huge orgy of foreign influence.

    We all know its up to these senators they should call the friggin vote right now..
    With that i would vote the for some kind of censure and if he doubles down tomorrow call amother vote and gtfo impeach..
    We can't have him doubling down like it is ok. It is not ok it needs to stop today and one wat or othee it needs to be decided by these senators now..

    This is tired honestly
     
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    Throw these on top of the impeachment bonfire.

     
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    He said, she said nothing burger poll
     
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    What a cluster****...if someone gets subpoenaed and discards it, why not put them in jail? What's the law in regards to this? It doesn't matter if you're Democrat or Republican, I guarantee if you start jailing some of these people they would start singing like a canary.
     
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    Unfortunatelly this is not correct.

    The President's ability to declare national security emergencies is extremely broad, based on the assumption that the President is competent and acts in good faith and the other branches of government act as a check. But unfortunately there's several plausible scenarios in which Trump could use his emergency powers to interfere with the election

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    Sadly once again the governemtn is in the hands of civil servants and others following orders or defying them to save the Republic, as has been the case since 2017.
     
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    Is republican congressional leadership ignorant of the constitutional and law, or simply dishonest?

     
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    dishonest. They do not believe their voters are very smart and are quite possibly completely willfully ignorant on top of not being very smart.
     
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