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The 2 greatest things Texans can do to reduce their toxic footprint

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Senator, Dec 2, 2018.

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Which measures will you to take?

  1. Switch to a more fuel efficient, smaller car (or have already done so)

    66.7%
  2. Give up beef

    22.2%
  3. Give up all forms of meat

    11.1%
  4. Only give up industrially produced meat

    22.2%
  5. None - it's not my problem

    22.2%
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  1. Senator

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    No surprise the land of cattle, refineries and trucks leads the way in emissions, no other state coming close.

    What we can do to help

    If a regular steak eater who grew up on corn and beef can give up all forms of red meat, anyone can. I certainly feel healthier and do not deal with cravings.

    On an industrial scale, the amount of resources (water, land, crops etc) needed to feed cows can never be sustainable for a growing world population, and even worse, the cows kept in cramped quarters pollute the environment more than anything else. America needs to get on the road to sustainability if they want long term economic stability, and a huge part of that is the environment food is grown in, what it is grown for, and minimizing wastage.
     
  2. Senator

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    *crickets*

    To re-iterate:

    1. Stop eating red meat, or cut down to twice a month

    2. Drive smaller, more fuel efficient cars



    Texas emissions are more than twice that of the next most polluting state in the US.

    Texan habits play a huge part in that.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    What I find funny about all of this talk about CO2 is that all it would take is one massive volcanic eruption, a wobble in the earth's orbit, or a "hiccup" in solar activity to plunge the earth into a miniature ice age and completely end all talk about CO2 and the "warming" part of climate change. That's not to say that we shouldn't do whatever we can to continue towards better technology, I just think it would be funny how quickly the narrative would change.
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    don't forget an asteroid hit
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    They could ignore troll threads. That would be the top thing they could do.
     
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  6. CCorn

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    This is important. But I love my hemi so I’m good
     
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  7. Senator

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    Kinda like it would just take one illegal immigrant to cure cancer and all the talk about closed borders would be over, right?
     
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  8. Senator

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    You should vote for the "it's not my problem" option.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    Not at all. Illegal immigration is a problem no matter how great any individual illegal immigrant is. On the other hand, an event that could cause the globe to go into an ice age for hundreds or even thousands of years would instantly change the conversation about climate change.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    5.7 or 6.4?
     
  11. Os Trigonum

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    OP I don't get the problem with meat. If I fill my freezer with venison, elk, or moose, supplemented with the occasional bear, what's the problem? you realize carbs cause diabeetus
     
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  12. Exiled

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    <urinating in public > should be an option and a great community service, and this's what you should tell the cops if you ever get caught while saving the planet:

    "For every molecule of urea in urine, one mole (a chemical unit used to measure the quantity of a substance) of ammonium bicarbonate is produced along with one mole of ammonia, which could be used to absorb one mole of atmospheric CO2," as explained to SINC by the author of the study, Manuel Jiménez Aguilar of the Institute of Agricultural and Fisheries Research and Training of the Regional Government of Andalusia"
     
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  13. CCorn

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    Just a 5.7. I have the quad
     
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  14. Senator

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    Science: Livestock agriculture and consumption dominates toxic emissions

    The production of animal products generates the majority of food-
    related GHG emissions (72–78% of total agricultural emissions), which is
    due to low feed-conversion efficiencies, enteric fermentation in ruminants,
    and manure-related emissions, the feed-related impacts of animal
    products also contribute to bluewater use (around 10%) and pressures
    on cropland, as well as nitrogen and phosphorus application (20–25%
    each).

    Dietary changes towards healthier diets can reduce the environ-
    mental impacts of the food system when environmentally intensive
    foods, in particular animal products, are replaced by less intensive food
    types.
    For our analysis, we analysed dietary changes towards diets
    in line with global dietary guidelines for the consumption of red meat,
    sugar, fruits and vegetables, and total energy intake
    ; as well as to
    more plant-based (flexitarian) diets that more comprehensively reflect
    the current evidence on healthy eating
    by including lower amounts
    of red and other meats and greater amounts of fruits, vegetables, nuts
    and legumes. We estimate that, com
    pared with the baseline projection for 2050, dietary changes towards
    healthier diets could reduce GHG emissions and other environmental
    impacts by 29% and 5–9%, respectively, for the dietary-guidelines sce-
    nario, and by 56% and 6–22%, respectively, for the more plant-based
    diet scenario . The changes are in line with the dietary compo-
    sition of the diets and the environmental footprints of each food group

    Changes in meat consumption dominate the impacts on GHG emissions, while for
    the other domains the environmental pressures associated with greater
    consumption of fruits, vegetables, nuts and legumes are more important
    but outweighed by the environmental benefits associated with lower
    consumption of meat, staple crops and sugar, and a generally lower
    energy intake in line with healthy body weights and recommended
    levels of physical activity.


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    Don't complain about global warming, hurricanes and wildfires if you're scarfing down red meat daily and drive a truck you don't need. You are the biggest contributor to the problem. The industrial meat industry is the new Phillip Morris.
     
  15. CCorn

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    Even if we do something, China is just going to ignore their ManBearPig
     
  16. Senator

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    You're not making an argument here, just throwing out random what if's that make you seem defensive and in the wrong. We could have an asteroid kill us all tomorrow, so why not spend the day raping and pillaging like our ancestors did?

    How much read meat do you eat? How many $ do you spend on gas a month?

    Do you think anything should be done about this, as a proud Texan?

    That's the argument.

    Considering human health deteriorates as ecosystems deteriorate, and illegal immigration will increase as long as these temperatures don't allow poorer nations in central america and africa to grow crops, it's something you should be concerned about.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    It's not so much a "what if" when I'm talking about things that 100% will happen at some point in the future. Also, if you payed any attention to what I said, I wasn't suggesting that we don't continue to develop technology, I was merely talking about how quickly no one will talk about CO2 again if one of those things we know WILL eventually happen ends up happening soon.

    The better reason to switch from fossil fuel burning technology to renewables has to do with the increasing scarcity of those resources rather than the CO2 argument. When it comes to cattle, you won't get anyone to take you seriously with that kind of talk.

    As to illegal immigration, that could all but end tomorrow if the US actually decided to do something about it no matter how much ManBearPig decimates the Earth.
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    People should cut down on red meat for their own health. You shouldn't be eating it more than twice a month anyway. But people are going to do what they want and Texans don't give a damn about anything or anyone. They are going to eat their meat, drive their trucks, and do whatever they want - and the environment isn't going to stop them.

    So it's pointless to have this debate
     
  19. tallanvor

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    No and **** off.
     
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  20. cml750

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    So twice a day is too much red meat? ;)
     
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