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Team-by-team salary-cap savings

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  1. Clips/Roxfan

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    Originally Published: October 31, 2011

    Team-by-team salary-cap savings

    How much cash and cap room each team would clear by using amnesty clause

    By Chad Ford
    ESPN.com

    Like in most lockout-related matters, the amnesty clause that figures to be a part of the next collective bargaining agreement is all about the money. More specifically, the amount it can save each club.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...56960&_slug_=nba-teams-savings-amnesty-clause

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    Can Someone Please Post the rest of this article...
     
  2. Icehouse

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    Like in most lockout-related matters, the amnesty clause that figures to be a part of the next collective bargaining agreement is all about the money. More specifically, the amount it can save each club.

    By using the provision, which is expected to allow teams to reduce their luxury tax as well as lower the salary cap hit by 75 percent of the waived player's salary, some teams can save money and have more cap space to play with.

    We've already laid out what each team is likely to do. Now here is how much each team could save and the cap room expected to be available, assuming a 2011-12 salary cap of $58 million.

    ATLANTA HAWKS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Marvin Williams
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $17.5 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    BOSTON CELTICS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
    Most likely amnesty cut: DeSagana Diop
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $10.7 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $9.5 million

    CHICAGO BULLS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Baron Davis
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $19.2 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    DALLAS MAVERICKS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    DENVER NUGGETS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Al Harrington
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $12.4 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $30 million

    DETROIT PISTONS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Charlie Villanueva
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $18 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $15 million

    GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Charlie Bell
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $3.1 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $10 million

    HOUSTON ROCKETS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $6 million


    INDIANA PACERS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Dahntay Jones
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $4.2 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $23 million

    LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Ryan Gomes
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $6 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $15.5 million

    LOS ANGELES LAKERS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Luke Walton
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $8.6 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    MIAMI HEAT
    Most likely amnesty cut: Mike Miller
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $18 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    MILWAUKEE BUCKS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Beno Udrih
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $10.7 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $1.5 million

    MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings: None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $5.5 million

    NEW JERSEY NETS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Travis Outlaw
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $21 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $21.5 million

    NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $10 million

    NEW YORK KNICKS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Renaldo Balkman
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $2.5 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $8 million

    ORLANDO MAGIC
    Most likely amnesty cut: Gilbert Arenas
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $46.8 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    PHILADELPHIA 76ERS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Andres Nocioni
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $5 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $7.5 million

    PHOENIX SUNS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Josh Childress
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $20.3 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $7.5 million

    PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Brandon Roy
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $51.5 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    SACRAMENTO KINGS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $24 million

    SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Richard Jefferson
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $22.9 million if they waive him this year. If next year, $15.9 million.
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: None

    TORONTO RAPTORS
    Most likely amnesty cut: None
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): None
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $6.5 million

    UTAH JAZZ
    Most likely amnesty cut: Mehmet Okur
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $8.2 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $7 million

    WASHINGTON WIZARDS
    Most likely amnesty cut: Rashard Lewis
    Long-term savings (75% of total salary left on contract): $23 million
    Projected cap room in 2011-12: $29 million
     
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  3. BigBenito

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    Yup, the only 2 teams I follow (OKC/HOU) wouldn't use it unless they could trade for a bad contract and a nice piece.

    Down with the amnesty clause!
     
  4. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Holy crap, didn't realize (or simply forgot, possibly stopped caring) that Denver, Indiana, and New Jersey are positioned to turn their franchises into legitimate threats.
     
  5. Icehouse

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    So the Nets could sign Howard outright if they wanted to?
     
  6. Rockets34Legend

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    Damn, Brandon Roy could be an amnesty casuality? :eek:

    Damn, Diop would be a nice fit at center for us! Don't give a **** about his offense, but the defense would be nice.

    Rashard, you want to come on home now? :)
     
  7. A_3PO

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    If they have the same amount of cap space next summer as now, I suppose so. But Howard will be traded and extended during the season before becoming an UFA. The Magic will get something for him.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    BimaThug, it looks unlikely they'll be fundamentally changing how they calculate the salary cap (or we would have heard about it, right?), so maybe an update on the Rockets cap situation?

    Otherwise, I'm just re-slicing ESPN's info:

    Amnestied Players

    Marvin Williams
    DeSagana Diop
    Baron Davis
    Al Harrington
    Charlie Villanueva
    Charlie Bell
    Dahntay Jones
    Ryan Gomes
    Luke Walton
    Mike Miller
    Beno Udrih
    Travis Outlaw
    Renaldo Balkman
    Gilbert Arenas
    Andres Nocioni
    Josh Childress
    Brandon Roy
    Richard Jefferson
    Mehmet Okur
    Rashard Lewis

    Teams with Cap Space After Amnesty Cuts

    1. DENVER NUGGETS: $30 million
    2. WASHINGTON WIZARDS: $29 million
    3. SACRAMENTO KINGS: $24 million
    4. INDIANA PACERS: $23 million
    5. NEW JERSEY NETS: $21.5 million
    6. LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS: $15.5 million
    7. DETROIT PISTONS: $15 million
    8. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS: $10 million
    9. NEW ORLEANS HORNETS: $10 million
    10. CHARLOTTE BOBCATS: $9.5 million
    11. OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER: $8 million
    12. PHILADELPHIA 76ERS: $7.5 million
    13. PHOENIX SUNS: $7.5 million
    14. UTAH JAZZ: $7 million
    15. TORONTO RAPTORS: $6.5 million
    16. HOUSTON ROCKETS: $6 million
    17. MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES: $5.5 million
    18. MILWAUKEE BUCKS: $1.5 million


    19. ATLANTA HAWKS: None
    20. BOSTON CELTICS: None
    21. CHICAGO BULLS: None
    22. CLEVELAND CAVALIERS: None
    23. DALLAS MAVERICKS: None
    24. LOS ANGELES LAKERS: None
    25. MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES: None
    26. MIAMI HEAT: None
    27. NEW YORK KNICKS: None
    28. ORLANDO MAGIC: None
    29. PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS: None
    30. SAN ANTONIO SPURS: None

    If these cap numbers are remotely right (and Houston's seems to roughly fit into Bima's expectations), that's a lot of money sloshing around for an FA class that isn't very good. There are at least 2 teams who could sign 2 max players, and 6 who could offer one max contract at least. Plus 15 teams with more space than the Rockets. Some will save up for 2012, but this looks like a tough environment to sign free agents in.
     
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    I thought Dallas would cut Brendan Haywood.
     
  10. BimaThug

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    ESPN is simply throwing out the (HUGE) caveat that their numbers assume a $58 million salary cap, simply because that is the last meaningful number that anyone had to go on.

    That ~$58M cap was the product of a complicated formula based on a certain percentage of projected BRI (51%, not the 57% that players were guaranteed overall), minus all projected benefits to the players union, then divided by 30.

    Given that the new CBA will set the players' maximum percentage of BRI at absolutely no greater than 52.5% (assuming the owners completely cave to the union's latest demands), it would be nearly impossible--in my opinion--for the owners to set a salary cap based on a percentage so close to that maximum amount. To do so would result in (1) the luxury tax threshold kicking in almost IMMEDIATELY after a team exceeds the salary cap and (2) owners demanding a near-unlimited amount of player salaries to be held in escrow (not far from the owners' latest proposal on that subject, actually) with players actually taking home far, far less than their stated salaries.

    Without knowing how the new salary cap will be calculated as a function of BRI, I cannot effectively predict what the new salary cap maximum will be. However, my guess (and that's all it is) would be that the new salary cap max is no greater than $53 million (prorated over a full season), and could very well be lower than that. Even accounting for increases in BRI, it wouldn't be much more; and I think we all know that BRI is unlikely to increase dramatically next year given the expected (even if limited) fan backlash from the lockout.
     
  11. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    He's a double-double guy, much needed when you run into the Lakers or Sonics.
     
  12. A_3PO

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    As defending champs with one more run left in them, probably not the thing to do (even if Haywood is a chump).
     
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    TRANSMISSION RAY TO ZIGGY


    ONLY SONIC HEYWARD WILL RUN INTO IS THE DRIVE THRU VARIETY. THEY ARE THE THUNDER OF OKLAHOMA CITY OKLAHOMA USA NOW BUCKO
     
  14. tikwanleap

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    Thanks, Mr. All Caps guy.
     
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    Well, it looks like I stand corrected:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=210121

    See my reply, though, in Post #4.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    You're quoting yourself now? What's next, referring to yourself in the 3rd person? ;)
     
  17. BimaThug

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    BimaThug only did that in order to show BimaThug's prior misconception of where the parties stood on the lowering of the salary cap.

    Give BimaThug a break, will ya?

    :grin:
     
  18. tikwanleap

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apa0nG1OfUc

    :grin:
     
  19. peleincubus

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    bimathug tell me about bimathug
     
  20. what

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    They ought to name this the Gibert Arenas clause.
     

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