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Taliban kill more than 20 people (including children) for being "un-Islamic"

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Sad to see what Islamic fanatism can lead to.

    Taliban hostage siege at lakeside Kabul hotel leaves at least 23 dead

    KABUL – Guests swam for their lives after five Taliban gunmen attacked a lakeside hotel in Afghanistan, killing at least 18 people and taking 50 others hostage in a siege lasting several hours, according to reports.
    The militants -- armed with rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine guns -- attacked the exclusive Spozhmai hotel in the Qargha Lake recreation area late Thursday, bursting into a private party and shooting dead hotel workers.
    The local police chief told NBC News that all five insurgents were killed. The Associated Press quoted local police as saying the civilian death toll was 18 - including hotel guards and a policeman - and likely to climb.

    Many terrified guests jumped into the lake in darkness to escape the carnage, according to Afghan officials and local residents.

    Reuters journalist Hamid Shalizi reported that the guests were a party of wealthy Afghans.

    NBC News producer Cheryll Simpson said on Twitter that heavy gunfire could be heard from the hotel, which is about six miles from the center of Kabul.

    The Afghan Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, saying the hotel was used for "prostitution, alcohol and immorality," she reported.

    For the deeply conservative Taliban, men and women who simply mingle, perhaps flirt, are condemned as pimps and prostitutes who deserve punishment sanctioned by God.

    8-year-old cleaner tells of attack
    Rasoul Khan, 8, who works as a cleaner at the hotel, told Reuters that Taliban gunmen “were asking everyone where the pimps were. They shot anyone who would not co-operate with them."
    The young boy had a facial injury.
    With a quavering voice, Ebadullah, 14, another cleaner at the hotel, described how one of his friends wet himself when an insurgent demanded information on the whereabouts of other guests.

    "He cried and said that he was an orphan and was the only bread winner for his family," he told Reuters.
    At a military hospital in Kabul where the wounded were treated, engineer Salder Rahi recalled how he had gone to the hotel to meet his brother and three friends. By the end of the ordeal, his sibling was among the dead.
    "They opened fire on everybody. Everybody just ran. There was a party outside and I saw the father shot dead and his wife wounded," Rahi told Reuters.

    Abdullah Samadi, 24, was just settling in at the hotel when he heard a huge blast from an RPG, followed by gunfire. "We tried to escape, but we were surrounded by suicide bombers. We hid ourselves beneath a tree until morning. God protected us," he said.
    The gunmen, Samadi said, had been closely watching their prisoners and searching for illegal stocks of wine.
    "Around dawn they came closer to us and we had to jump in the water," he said. "We were there until 9 a.m. and then the situation got better and we slowly, slowly swam toward security forces."
    Elite Afghan quick-response police backed by NATO troops freed the remaining hostages and killed the gunmen in an operation that only began in earnest after sunrise to help security forces avoid unnecessary civilian deaths in night-time confusion.
    Two NATO attack helicopters could be seen over the single-story hotel building and a balcony popular with guests for its sunset views.

    'Crime against humanity'
    The incident again highlighted the ability of the Afghan Taliban to stage high-profile attacks even as NATO nations prepare to withdraw most combat troops by the end of 2014, leaving Afghan forces to take the lead against the insurgency.
    Authorities are about midway through a transition process during which security responsibility is being handed from NATO-led foreign troops to Afghan forces.
    "This is a crime against humanity because they targeted children, women and civilians picnicking at the lake. There wasn't even a single soldier around there," said General Mohammad Zahir, head of the Kabul police investigation unit.
    Qargha Lake is one of Kabul's few options for weekend getaways. Restaurants and hotels that dot the shore are popular with Afghan government officials and businessmen, particularly on Thursday nights.

    Guests at the Spozhmai must pass through hotel security before entering the hotel, where tables with umbrellas overlook the water, but security is relatively light for a city vulnerable to militant attacks.
    Violence across Afghanistan has surged in recent days, with three U.S. soldiers and more than a dozen civilians killed in successive attacks, mostly in the country's east where NATO-led forces have focused their efforts during the summer fighting months.
    Several well-planned assaults in Kabul in the past year have raised questions about whether the Taliban and their al Qaeda-linked Haqqani network allies have shifted tactics to embrace high-profile attacks targeting landmarks, foreigners and Afghanistan's elite, extending a guerrilla war once primarily waged in the countryside.

    Afghan insurgents attacked Kabul's heavily protected diplomatic and government district on April 15 in an assault, eventually quelled by Afghan special forces guided by Western mentors, similar to one in September 2011.
    President Hamid Karzai told a special session of parliament on Thursday that attacks by insurgents against Afghan police and soldiers were increasing as most foreign combat troops prepare to leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

    http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...side-kabul-hotel-leaves-at-least-23-dead?lite
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Disgusting.

    DD
     
  3. Surfguy

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    There should have been security there. It's stupid to think you can lax security in a place like that when the stupid Taliban will take advantage of any opening. It's really hard to believe they would leave an entire hotel open to attack like that with only screening who enters the hotel.
     
  4. JD88

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    There was a police officer there. I had many run ins with the Taliban while I was deployed, even got me a couple. Wish I could have gotten more. The problem is you do not know where they will hit. They may hit a water treatment plant, kill 4 workers there, and then get killed themselves, and claim it as a huge victory. They will shoot up a school, or blow up a bridge we just built (saw that first hand), and claim it as a victory.

    The problem is the damn media. When I first got there, we got into a couple of firefights where we unloaded on a few guys. We didnt get shot at from that area for 2 or 3 months. We were investigated into shooting too much, and forever more, we had to fill out 6 page reports on the incident and get grilled by some boot ass Lt. straight out of his MOS school who has never been outside the wire. So we stop shooting, nobody wants to fill out the paper work. They start shooting again, and we just let them.

    You cant be civil with them. You cant make rules that we have to play by over there. Its stupid. If we really wanted to, this war could have been over in +/- 3 years. I say three but it could have been less. However, the damn media is stepping on our toes at every turn, and the people over here want us to be nice and play fair.

    There are no rules in war. Only winners and losers.
     
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  5. DaDakota

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    Post of the year - if you are going to fight a war, you got to be willing to go all in....

    DD
     
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    Good job, you have adhered exactly to the Taliban Mentality.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Whipe them out though and there is no Taliban.

    DD
     
  8. Northside Storm

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    Kill em all?

    Sounds familiar.

    (Maybe they'll declassify the documents 50 years later and we'll all find out that's what they've doing all these years anyways.)
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Yep

    Many ways to do it, the first is to kill off the philosophy itself.

    DD
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    Yeah, that's strategic thinking right there. Kill ALL the Taliban and collateral damage that comes with it. Good idea on the "bringing democracy" and "stability" to a country. America can Genghis Khan that s*** and raze it to the ground. That's not going to be another Somalia that will breed more terrorists. Everyone will be dead.

    America will "win!". Hooray! It'll be left with a husk of a country (I guess there's mineral deposits, not like that will trickle down to the working class), half the world that hates it, and an unstable clusterf**k of a country that might as well be Somalia. yay victory.

    For all of you cowboys---I'd be interested in hearing you define "all in."
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    If you lost the reference---

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/korea_usa_01.shtml

    Kill 'em All': The American Military in Korea

    "...US commanders repeatedly, and without ambiguity, ordered forces under their control to target and kill Korean refugees caught on the battlefield."
     
  12. DaDakota

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    I understand, but if you are in a war, you need to be in it to win it and unfortunatly that means doing whatever it takes to take the will of your enemy away.

    Like dropping the A bomb in Japan.

    Sometimes it takes a giant stick upsides the head to sort it out.

    DD
     
  13. Northside Storm

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    Take a deep breath, and step back.

    Are you suggesting your definition of "all in" in the Afghan war is f**king A-bombs? Spell it out if you are.
     
  14. geeimsobored

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    So you would support General MacArthur's demand that we nuke the North Koreans in Chinese to win the war?
     
  15. DaDakota

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    I don't really know what to suggest, honestly.

    But if you are going to fight a war, you should be in it to win it.

    I would be horrible as a diplomat, because I would have taken over the oil fields in Saudi Arabia, kicked out the royal family and started sharing the profits with their people.

    DD
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Yeah, at the time, probably would have supported that.

    DD
     
  17. Northside Storm

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    Well, I can help you spell your line.

    We'll begin here---
    Major violation of human rights, disregard for civilian life (just a little bit lower than the level the war is at now)
    Major bombing campaign over all areas, no regard for civilians?
    Systematic and deliberate murder of civilians who might sympathize with the Taliban?
    Dropping an A-bomb on a major city?
    Committing mass genocide of every Arab?
    Leveling the entire country with hydrogen bombs?

    there we go. What is "all in?" for you.
     
  18. IzakDavid13

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    Did I open a can of worm?
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    OK - that is how you win a war - right?

    War is not pretty, can't win it by pussyfooting around.

    DD
     
  20. IzakDavid13

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    Don't we still have nukes?

    Look at Japan now...they and the world are now better off. Agree?
     

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