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  1. TheresTheDagger

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    This sounds incredibly alarming:
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Meh, I dunno, they are protecting their ally just as the US would one of our allies assuming we had a president interested in protecting our allies....something that hasn't been the case in quite a long time. Russia clearly thinks that a US attack is imminent, related to the alleged chemical attack by Assad.....which is something that really fails to pass the BS detector but that's a different story.

    Personally the whole situation in Syria has been bungled from the start, we might as well just stay out of it at this point. There's no way the US can salvage that situation.
     
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  4. Rashmon

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    Israel and Iran are ready to initiate Armageddon. Unfortunately, we do not have competent leadership in our country to adequately respond.

    How Putin’s Folly Could Lead to a Middle East War

    Donald Trump needs to stop prevaricating over Syria and take advantage of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Syria failures.

    Putin, who unexpectedly thrust Russia into the Syria civil war in September 2015, initially claimed he was there on a counterterrorism mission to fight the Islamic State. Fast-forward 2½ years, and Putin is now in the unlikely position of trying to contain the outbreak of what could be the ugliest Middle East war of the 21st century between Iran and Israel.

    It was all very predictable, the moment that Putin began to partner with Iran and its lethal proxy, Hezbollah. They shared intelligence, patrolled together and fought together against the Sunni jihadists and other rebels who were warring against the Assad regime.

    Iran’s motivations for this unlikely marriage were crystal clear: The regime viewed Syria as a crucial territory to maintain a land bridge from their borders to the Mediterranean. For Iran, Syria was key to regional domination. It was also key to maintaining military supply routes to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    Russia, by contrast, had more global ambitions. For one, Putin was putting a finger in the eye of the Obama administration. The message was that Russia could dominate territory once seen as under American influence. Putin also sought to convey to the rest of the Arab world that Russia was a strong and reliable ally for the region, and that Russia was willing to provide advanced weaponry at the right price—and without American-style red tape and oversight.

    Putin’s assertion of power was quickly acknowledged by Israelis, who began to pay regular visits to Moscow, during which they raised their concerns about the growing Iranian presence in Syria as well as the military hardware and Shiite militias that Tehran deployed there to shore up a wobbly Assad regime. They warned that Iran was preparing new military infrastructure to target Israel.

    As Israeli officials explain, the visits did not include requests to strike at Iranian and Hezbollah targets. Rather, the Israelis simply declared their intent to strike these targets. A line of communication was opened, and has remained open as Israel has conducted more than 100 strikes on Iranian positions in Syria. Israel never took responsibility for these attacks, and Russia never acknowledged them. The Kremlin seemed to think that it could play both sides against one another while it remained in Syria under the pretense of a counterterrorism mission.

    But that collapsed on February 9, when Iran dispatched a drone into Israeli airspace from the T4 air base west of Palmyra. The Israelis responded by sending eight F-16 fighter jets into Syria to destroy the base as well as a number of anti-aircraft batteries. The attack reportedly came without warning for Russia.

    From the Israeli perspective, the airstrikes sent two important messages. First, it was a sharp warning to Iran for violating its airspace. And second, by striking deep inside Syria, the Israelis also conveyed that they could operate inside the country with relative impunity (they lost one fighter jet in the skirmish). Iran now understood that Russia could not necessarily protect its assets inside the country.

    Over the ensuing two months, an uneasy quiet prevailed between Israel and Iran.

    Of course, the rest of Syria was not quiet. The Assad regime’s savagery has continued unabated and the international community has done nothing in response, even as the U.S.-led international coalition hammers the ever-shrinking caliphate of the Islamic State. The mess in Syria has been punctuated by Trump’s recent vow to withdraw entirely from Syria “very soon.”

    For the Israelis, Trump’s statement was both alarming and clarifying. Iran’s military project was about to expand exponentially. And without the implied protection from its most powerful ally, Israel’s war planners apparently felt empowered to take matters into their own hands.

    That’s exactly what Israel did on Sunday night. The T4 air base was once again the target. Once again, Russia appears to have been left out of the loop. And it also appears that its air defenses were insufficient to prevent a strike on the Iranian air base.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov criticized the Israelis on Monday, calling the strike “a dangerous development.” Lavrov is right about that. The Israelis have shown that they can operate repeatedly inside of Syria, with or without Russian deconfliction. And with Trump signaling outrage over Sunday’s chemical weapons attacks in Damascus, the United States is not likely to restrain the Israelis from protecting their interests.

    Putin is now sitting on a tinderbox. The ISIS threat may be contained. But a showdown is looming between Israel and Iran on Russia-controlled terrain. With Iran’s long record of sponsoring terrorist groups that target Israel, coupled with regular calls for destruction of the state of Israel, this has been a long time coming. Iran’s Syrian and Lebanese proxies, who are armed to the teeth with up to 250,000 rockets, are preparing to battle the most advanced military in the Middle East. It promises to be the worst war the region has seen in decades.

    Putin could certainly try to step in and referee this conflict. But that’s not what he signed up for. Between this and the chemical weapons attacks, the Russian leader may finally be coming to understand that Iran’s actions in Syria are not aligned with Russian interests.

    This is long-sought leverage for Trump, in a conflict that has afforded little. More important, it’s a window of opportunity to finally craft a Syria policy that works to marginalize both Russia and Iran — the main drivers of a mass slaughter that stretches into its seventh year.
     
  5. dobro1229

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    There is nothing new about Syria unfortunately. The US Congress and Republican voters (and Trump) vocally wanted Obama to stay out of Syria then. So what has changed now?

    Putin is not our friend. Putin is backing Assad who is the worst war criminal dictator to come about since WW2. I just don’t understand why now all the sudden Republicans have this conflicted opinion on whether or not to go to war basically with Russia when 3 months ago they thought Putin was a hero of the right and Trumps bestie.

    My opinion is that no... we shouldn’t just start bombing Damascus and start a war with Russia via Syria. You continue to pursue a group effort with the UN and NATO to sanction and cut off Russia from the rest of the world, and bankrupt Putin’s oligarchs. Assad is nothing without Putin. He doesn’t get chemical weapons without Putin. You hurt Assad through financially crippling Putin into realizing Assad is a bad investment.

    The answer to the Trump admin’s foreign issues has always been what they vehemently objected right out the gate.... a strong state department and strong diplomacy. You gut the state department, you better buy Mattis some more bullets (what’s that military budget number again?)

    You cannot avoid military action without strong UN and NATO coordinated efforts. It’s harder and it isn’t as politically immediately satisfying as bombing Damascus to take the news attention away from Mueller, but it’s the right way to save lives and avoid another endless war.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    There is no reason to be there. They don't have anything we and there is nothing we can do.

    My attitude on a situation like this is you have till they get tired of killing each.

    Taking a side just creates more enemies
     
  7. A_3PO

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    Our POT has done a spectacular somersault on Syria just within the last 2 weeks. Let's what he actually does, if anything.
     
  8. NewRoxFan

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    From the "there is always a past tweet" file...

     
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    ... and another:

     
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    [QUOTE="dobro1229, but it’s the right way to save lives and avoid another endless war.[/QUOTE]

    When you are denying the entrance of the refugees at home, you don't pretend to save Muslims' lives thousands miles away.
     
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    Hey, this horrible. Can we please spend a another trillion on defense contracts so we can prevent this humiliation?
    Good call. The Trumpster needs a war so that the folks can rally around the flag. Yellow ribbons, big cable show ratings, juicy proifts as we sell more weapons and just think of the large number of cruise missile that will need to be built. Happy days.
     
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    When you are denying the entrance of the refugees at home, you don't pretend to save Muslims' lives thousands miles away.[/QUOTE]
    China sucks.
     
  14. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Didn't he declare an orange line wrt chemical weapons? At least it's not politically damning unlike that porno prostitute.

    :: phew ::
     
  16. Exiled

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    Assad gave a memo to Syrians: stay religious! whatever that means, then he fled to a safe place
    Putin confirmed his bases in Syria will be safe
    Iranian were busy hiding in Russian bases and moving theirs weapons, I don't think it's premature to dismiss any fear of retaliation
     
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    Yes, the Flynns are crazy.
     
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