[Super Bowl LI] - New England Patriots vs. Atlanta Falcons

You can blame the loss on the feet on Shanny Jr. The Falcons played great defense in the 1st half causing 2 turnovers, but ran out of gas because the offense couldn't stay on the field in the 2nd half. Five run plays after getting to 28 points is just inexcusable.

For all of that, Shanny Jr. got a promotion to be a NFL headcoach somewhere else.

 

Dude, first of all, the rule is clearly written too vague for you to claim any contradictions based on defender making contact.

And even if the rule was somehow written clearly to support your case (it's not), how the rules are written and how they are followed are completely different things. Did you know that technically you're not allowed to take three steps in the NBA? I have seen enough football to understand how the refs call intentional grounding, and they will never ever call intentional grounding on a play like that. Literally no one has brought it up except you.

 

It's actually not. In regards to contact, it's pretty clear:

Intentional grounding should not be called if:

1. the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver;

 

That sounds exactly like what happened. Imagine that.

 

Yeah, this doesn't help your argument at all.

 

1) Claims that I don't understand the rule.
2) Proceed to post rule that exactly supports my argument.

SMH.

 

Seriously. Hard to fathom a dude that f's up this badly is becoming a head coach.

That aside, if any of the more knowledge-able formation, play call type guys could answer... what do Bill, Tom and team do to adjust in the second half of these games where their offense sputters in the first half often because Tom is hurried, pressured and hit too much. Seems like they adjust, Tom has more time, etc. in the second half. Or alternatively, what are the defenses not doing in the 2nd half that they were in the first.

 

You're misreading it. It actually refutes your argument.

Remember those screenshots I posted showing that the defender made contact with Brady before Brady began his throwing motion? That means that based on where the ball lands, intentional grounding can still be called.

The rule (the bolded text) says that if contact occurs AFTER the QB begins his throwing motion, then intentional grounding cannot be called.

 

It says "significantly affected by physical contact" not "any contact". He wasn't "significantly affected" until he was well into his throwing motion. Watch the video again.

 

No it doesn't. He was significantly affected after he began his throwing motion, and it caused the ball to land not where intended. Whether he was also contacted or affected prior to the throwing motion is irrelevant.

 

An ESPN sports commentator from Vegas said one of the adjustments after half time was to put an extra tight end to help block that aggressive d line that was so effective in the 1st half. Tbh, I didn't notice that, but this is what I heard.

 

Hitting the leg(s) of a QB right before he's about to throw is significant contact. Why wouldn't it be? It prevents the QB from stepping into the throw.

And whether or not the QB received contact before initiating the throwing motion is absolutely relevant. If the QB receives contact before throwing the ball, it makes IG more likely. After all, the QB would much rather take an incomplete pass than a sack so he'll simply look to unload the ball.

 

Yes, that is correct. It's also irrevelant.

Yes, but in this case, that was not what happened. Brady was trying to complete the ball. His body was pulled to the side as he was throwing it, and thus the ball did not go where it was intended. The key to intentional grounding is that it's ... intentional. It was clear here that it was not - the ball did not go where it was intended to go because of contact while in the throwing motion. Thus:


Intentional grounding should not be called if:

1. the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver;

Brady was siginficantly affected by physical contact after he initiated his throwing motion, and it caused the pass to land in an area that was not the direction or vicinity of a receiver. Thus, IG should not be called. It's literally the exact quote you posted. Whether he was also contacted before that is irrelevant.

 

Stop the madness!!!!!!

 

I agree. Shanny should be embarrassed at his management of the clock. Good luck to the 49ers, they are going to need it.

 

It's a feather in the cap of the clutch bbs that this is the only place on planet earth where people are constantly arguing about that play.

Let it go, wekko.

 

I heard the Atlanta coaches talking about their end-of-game offensive play-calling. Sorry....that sh_t doesn't fly. Admit you were wrong and move on.

Next time, trust that your FG kicker can make a kick between 40-50 yards. Silly coach. If not good, then let the kicker take the heat for the miss...so you don't look like a dumb coach.

 

Two Tom Brady jersey's found.

NFL statement on finding Tom Brady's Super Bowl jersey: "Through the cooperation of the NFL and New England Patriots' security teams, the FBI and other law enforcement authorities, the Super Bowl LI jersey worn last month by MVP Tom Brady has been recovered. Also retrieved during the ongoing investigation was the jersey Brady wore in the Patriots' victory in Super Bowl XLIX against the Seattle Seahawks in 2015. The items were found in the possession of a credentialed member of the international media. Due to the ongoing investigation, we would refer any additional questions to the FBI."