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Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman discuss which players are better than Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Wylo, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. Wylo

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    Stephen A. Smith

    - Picked LeBron, Durant, and Curry ahead of Harden, but was ambivalent about Kawhi.

    - Harden is arguably a top 5 player (definitely top 6), best two guard in the league, 'heir apparent' to Kobe Bryant, and the front runner for this year's MVP

    - Harden picks and chooses when he wants to play defense


    Max Kellerman

    - Picked LeBron, Durant, Anthony Davis, Kawhi, and Curry ahead of Harden

    - Harden's numbers are inflated because of MDA's system

    - Said he was suspicious of Harden in the playoffs because of his lack of athleticism, and compared his ability to 'decelerate' and change direction/speed to the pitchers in baseball who specialize in change-ups without the blazing fastballs (Trevor Hoffman, Greg Maddux, etc.) Those types of players don't do as well in the post-season because they can't simply physically dominate

    - Harden is not the fastest, can't jump the highest, and not the best shooter, but does it on guile and intelligence, which don't play well under pressure the way size, strength, and speed do.

    - Still puts Harden at best 5th, at worst 7th
     
  2. Rockets4lf

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    Durant to me is one of the most overated player ever...He can never do anything by himself like harden.
     
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    bro i know this is clutchfans and there are a bunch of homers here but come on, LMAO
     
  4. Jontro

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    i mean if f'in A and killerman says so.. then i believe them.
     
  5. Reeko

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    AD over Harden is dumb

    When will people stop putting AD on a pedestal? AD puts up elite numbers, but gets u mediocre results. U could never say the same for Harden.
     
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    Why do people care about these crap opinions?
     
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    When will people stop listening to max kellerman? He knows nothing about basketball or football.

    He should just stick to boxing, it’s the only sport he’s actually knowledgeable about.
     
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    My issue.

    Says the system is helping Harden-rates Kawahi better(spurs system?).

    Says Curry willingly plays defense and rates him higher-Harden is the better defender statistically/eye test.

    Rates AD as third in front of Harden- Mentions Giannis behind Harden due to team success(incredible that AD couldn’t make the playoffs multiple years with Gordon/Anderson).

    What unintelligent blabbering idiots.

    Harden is the third best player in the game today and you could make every bit an argument that he’s number two over Durant or Curry.
     
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    AD is a terrible pick

    Lebron is also an atrocious defender as of right now

    My list of top 3 is Lebron, Steph, and James
     
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    So is their way of laying the groundwork to deny the MVP from Harden this year? Media Narrative Control begins here. Blah Blah not a two way player Blah Blah.
     
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    As great as Anthony Davis may be, he can not lead a team to wins.
     
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    Playoff Bron in 16 was the GOAT. Won’t take him off the mantle for a few years.
     
  13. tmacfor35

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    He’s a guy who puts up empty stats.
     
  14. RasaqBoi

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    Both these guys are trash. Keep motivating the beard.
     
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    Defense is about the team/system more than the individual player, Maxine.
     
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    How are they better than Harden and we have arguably the best record in NBA and he is frontrunner for League MVP?
     
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    Lol. ESPN is such a joke now. He's MVP, now deal with it.
     
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    The playoffs are more physical. And I do think Harden struggles with physical defenders when he doesn't get the calls.

    But to me, that's more of a mental issue with him than a skills issue. It's more that he gets frustrated with physical players than anything else. If he can stay disciplined and focused, he will be fine.
     
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    The only thing Curry is better then Harden is shooting the three bal and given how Harden is shooting this season is not that much better. These two clowns obviously don’t watch enough Houston games
     
  20. YallMean

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    Fxxk Curry. He couldn't do a thing not long ago. Give the beard.

    Harden is the best player in the NBA right now.
     
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