Something I noticed about Carrolls lack of trades for the better

How in the world can you criticize the Rockets for not making "bold moves?" They traded for Francis. They sent three first round picks to New Jersey for Griffin. They made the deal to acquire Pippen. They made the deal to acquire Barkley, sending both Horry and Cassell to Phoenix. They traded our best power forward away in a season when we were woefully lacking inside presense to bring Clyde Drexler to Houston.

How many teams have been involved in as many significant, blockbuster-type deals as the Rockets over the past 15 years??? All of that was under Dawson and Tomjanovich.

There is more to it than just allowing players to develop or being afraid of the consequences. This year because of the luxury tax made it more difficult than ever to pull of any significant trades that stood to benefit the Rockets long term. I mean, in reality, only one "major" deal went down in the Payton/Allen deal with a few other minor or second-tier type trades.

In fact, most of the deals made this season were made for salary cap purposes, not for improvement.

Oh, and Brent Barry isn't a free agent this summer.

Besides, we DID make a trade this season. We were one of only a handful of teams that managed to pull off a deal that has been a benefit to us although, like the rest of the season, and inconsistent one.

I just think most people think making trades is like doing a deal on NBA Live. It isn't easy. It's hard and Dawson absolutely SHOULD be cautious and SHOULD be concerned about the ramifications of making a deal. That's just being responsible.

 

I like proposing trades, but if it were that easy, don't you think every GM would do that?

 

I can't believe we didn't pull off that Tito Maddux for Tim Duncan trade when we had the chance.

 

Trades are easy, just like dealing with the Clips (Sterling/Bailor). They hold a lot of cards for this summer as they did for the Feb deadline, and surprise stood pat.

The Rox need smarts. Know a smart player to add to this not so smart mix?

 

So Ming, Francis, Griffin, Posey, Mobley, Taylor, etc, are all in their primes already? Damn, that was fast.

 

As a first post, that was terrible. As Jeff pointed out, if you have any clue as to the history of the Rockets, then the following names should jump out from the past decade:

Drexler
Barkley
Pippen

That is all you need to know to see that the Rockets are willing to take make a "bold" trade if necessary.

 

There are plenty of things to criticize on this team, but this isn't one of them. As a whole, the best, boldest moves in the league the past 10 years have been made by CD and the Rockets. There really isn't anything you can complain about at all regarding this facet of the team.

 

We've made A LOT of trades.

But man...Griffin for SAR would have been nice.

 

SAR made the max, about 13m I think, EG made about 2-3m. I still don't understand why people thought that there would ever be a straight trade between the 2.

 

We would have had to give up Mobley and Cato/MoTaylor to get SAR. Hell No.

 

The Rockets do make bold moves. Who do they really need. If Eddie becomes the player they think he will be, who will they really need. A SF??? I like Posey, he's the perfect fit for the team. He plays the tough 'D' and doesn't need the ball. Griffin SHOULD become a really quality PF. Yao and Steve there is nothing to say about. That leaves Mobley, he's not going anywhere. This team is and will be fairly stacked. This is the proverbial young team that needs to mature. Steve and Cat are soon not going to be able to use that crutch, but please, with Yao and Eddie maturing, Mo Taylor returning to form, Stevie continuing to improve, and Cat tempeirng his game this team will be a force for years to come.

 

I agree that Carroll does an amazing job of trading and coming up with major deals.

But, sometimes he doesn't sweeten a deal that has a chance ...

For instance, if I recall acurately, we almost made a deal with Toronto for McGrady, but we just wouldn't sweeten the pot to make it happen. If we knew then what we know now, we'd have thrown in 10X more. I remember <i>thacabbage</i> going ballistic over that situation. He really wanted us to get McGrady, because he was convinced he would become everything that he has. But, we got stingy.

I'm glad we didn't do the SAR or Hughes trade ... but the trade I wish we DID do, was Mobely for Brand, that Yao referred to. If we had to throw in 3 first round draft picks, a bunch of cash, maybe even Griffin, I would have. Whatever it would have taken to sweeten the deal and get them to make the trade. Make it too good to pass up.

I agree Carroll is very smooth, and comes up with deals where we really come out ahead, and he has the guts to pull the big deal. But, sometimes, he may not do what it takes to make the deal, because he may be trying to pull off TOO good of a deal.

Brand for Mobely ... wow, I REALLY wish that had gone down. Imagine Ming/Brand/Griffin/Posey/Francis.

 

Uhhhh, first of all, why Oregon?

They're terrible this year.

And if you're going to say "that college oregon team", then at least give a name.

 

Ernie Kent. They aren't terrible. They only have 2 guys that are worthy of being a D-1 starter, Luke Ridnour and Luke Jackson.

 

Errr... every GM in the league has done or not done some trades with hindsight he regreted. That's not a crime.

And Ming (in his real or fake interview) mentioned Mobley and Griffin for Brand. Mobley for Brand is only something in your dream.

Some people actually believed every rumor trade that favour our own team and then blamed our management not doing it without whether knowing if there's really an offer or not.

 

That's because they weren't offering enough for him with only Duncan and Parker.

Btw why do you want to trade EG?His pbl is not chemistry but developpement.He's young...(this does sound old!)

ALA

 

There was ever a possibility of McG coming to Rox? I never heard that. Damon, yes, tho I never knew what killed that deal. But -- Tracy McGrady? Is there such a thing as a truth to this?

 

I don't ever remember any deals involved with McGrady.

As for the Mobley/Griffin for Brand rumored trade... I haven't heard anything substantial on that trade proposition. If I am the Rockets I make that trade. So the fact that it was not made makes me believe that it was never offered, or the Clippers were asking for too much or we were offering too little.

Francis/Brand/Yao would be quite a nice 3 building blocks for this franchise. You would have 3 all star level players who are all young to build on. Just fill the roster with role players and off you go!

 

While not as big, Kenny Thomas for Posey was pretty bold. KT was our most proven (not injured) and consistent PF. We traded him to basically clear playing time for MoT and Griff to assist with team chemistry. That is pretty bold.

Then on top of that, we picked up a contributor at a spot where we needed some help. Very nice trade.