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So the Astros 2017 title is tainted

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rockets13champs, Nov 12, 2019.

  1. LonghornFan

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    She actually posted her message on Instagram before that.

     
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  2. Joe Joe

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    MLB investigating Dyson. Conspiracy theory of MLB only picking on Astros debunked for at least 30 minutes.
     
  3. RustyHarden

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    I had trouble understanding this from an earlier posting. Apparently "her story" he rage slammed a crate holding the cat. Upon first reading I was confused & thought he killed her cat. Vague leed
     
  4. msn

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    I picked up that dude threw the crate, cat included, at his girl?
     
  5. RustyHarden

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    That's implied I guess. Still unclear
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    If we're going left field...

     
  7. dc rock

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    Is this more Jombitch grifting?
     
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    Hate to see it

     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    MLB is monetizing his videos. MLB is literally making money via Astros conspiracy videos.

    You're using the meme wrong
     
  10. awc713

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    ...what are you talking about? The sarcastic “hate to see it” reference?
     
  11. J.R.

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    A.J. Hinch suspended for season, forfeit three first-round picks

    MLB has been criticized from within for not enforcing its sign-stealing policy strongly enough. Now is their opportunity to send a message that using electronic methods will not be tolerated. If the evidence fully supports it, MLB should suspend Astros manager A.J. Hinch for the entire season. It may not have been his idea, but the players are his responsibility. The league should punish the front office by taking away a first-round pick for each season the was taking place. At this point, that would be three. Any players or coaches involved should also face 5- to 10-game bans depending on their level of involvement. - Mark Townsend

    Months-long suspensions

    A little more than two years ago, when he’d determined the Boston Red Sox had used an Apple Watch for reasons other than time telling or heart-rate monitoring, commissioner Rob Manfred fined the Red Sox and announced what amounted to a zero-tolerance policy moving forward. Future instances of technology-driven, in-game spying would result in a stiff and lasting penalties. The investigation into the Houston Astros seems already to have answered the question as to whether the Astros cheated, and now asks who and for how long and to what effect. Those answers are almost sure to reflect poorly on general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager A.J. Hinch, among others. Suspensions that follow should be measured not in days or even weeks, but in months. As important, the same discipline ought to follow those found complicit who are no longer with the Astros and have since affiliated with other organizations. - Tim Brown

    Bans, draft picks and fines

    If MLB actually wants to come down hard on the Astros, the team's punishment needs to be more than a few suspensions and a small fine. At minimum, MLB should be talking about banning members of the organization — either temporarily or permanently — taking away multiple draft picks and levying a fine that will actually impact the club. Over the past couple seasons, the Astros have gotten nothing more than a wrist slap for repeatedly engaging in awful conduct or questionable tactics. The team wasn't punished after the Kyle McLaughlin incident or Brandon Taubman fiasco. It benefitted from acquiring Roberto Osuna while he was serving a domestic-violence suspension and still got to use Yuli Gurriel in the World Series after Gurriel made a racist gesture toward Yu Darvish.

    By not acting, MLB has enabled the team to become more bold in its desire to game the system. MLB needs to offer up severe consequence if it finally wants to put a stop to the Astros' nonsense. - Chris Cwik

    No half measures

    Major League Baseball has never proven itself too proactive when it comes to policing “cheating” — however you want to use that word. More often than not, the league office in the past has sounded like a parent threatening to take away a toy from a misbehaving child. Big threats, little follow-through. Consider how MLB handles pitchers who doctor the ball. It’s explicitly against the rules, but the league doesn’t really crack down on it unless the violations are particularly egregious.

    When the Red Sox were in the middle of that Apple Watch controversy and the end result was a fine AND a fine for the Yankees, that sent a pretty clear message that this stuff was getting slap-on-the-wrist treatment. Heck, that’s probably why it’s come to this with the Astros. I don’t know the specifics of the case like MLB investigators do, and my colleagues have done a fine job here of judging hypotheticals, but here’s what I think is most important — whatever the fair punishment seems to be, make it a little tougher than that. No more half measures. Baseball needs to send a message that it’s taking these things seriously. Unless, of course, it isn’t. - Mike Oz
     
  12. J.R.

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    https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/the...robbed-chunk-of-championship-window/312018764

    According to league sources, allegations against Houston in the 2019 ALCS extend beyond hitting coach Alex Cintron's whistling, which inspired third base coach Phil Nevin to tell Houston third baseman Alex Bregman, "Tell your f-cking hitting coach I'm going kick his f-cking ass."

    SNY has learned that the Yankees also complained to the league about blinking lights in center field early on in Game 6 at Minute Maid Park -- just days after Hinch responded angrily to SNY's report about the whistling. Imagine the hubris required to keep cheating after that. The blinking ceased after the early innings.

    The Yankees also suspected that Houston was alternating whistling and hand signs, depending on the inning, and that the type of whistling varied depending on the pitch.

    That's a lot to deal with when you're trying to advance to a World Series for the first time in a decade.

    A common argument used to counter any Yankee complaints about cheating is, "What about the steroid era?," an allusion to the several key Yankees from the late '90s and early 2000s -- not to mention Alex Rodriguez in 2009 -- who ended up linked to performance-enhancing drugs.

    But that comparison does not work as a parallel to the Astros scandal for one simple reason: In the days when many Yankees were taking hardcore performance-enhancers, so were many of their opponents.

    The public came to know about Yankee cheaters like Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch in part because trainer Brian McNamee was one of the few steroid suppliers to cooperate with former Sen. George Mitchell's inquiry into the issue.

    That left the Yankees disproportionately represented in Mitchell's Report. Yes, they won their championships with the help of PEDs, but this was not in any way a Yankee-specific issue.

    The allegations against the Astros are more unique. Sources familiar with MLB's probe estimate that a small handful of teams are accused of employing similar sign-stealing methods -- a far smaller number than teams that employed steroid users in the late '90s.

    Not long ago, in a quiet moment on the road, I asked a Yankees person, "If you had the tech and the ability to do what the Astros are accused of doing, would you?"

    The person responded with a firm and emphatic, "F-ck no. It's wrong."

    I believed that person, who appeared to be answering from the heart. The Astros stand accused of going to lengths that most of the league considers highly unethical, and that one rival GM said was "the worst thing since the Black Sox scandal."

    The Black Sox, at least, conspired to throw a series in favor of their opponents. The Yankees have lost multiple opportunities to capitalize on a fleeting championship window -- and those chances are gone forever.
     
  13. JayGoogle

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    Awww poor babies! They went a whole decade without a championship and it is ALL the Astros fault!

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the Nationals didn't 'steal' signs.
    They knew Harris was going to throw one of his two pitches.
    =/
     
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    (My tweet)


     
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    “That left the Yankees disproportionately represented in Mitchell's Report. Yes, they won their championships with the help of PEDs, but this was not in any way a Yankee-specific issue.

    The allegations against the Astros are more unique. Sources familiar with MLB's probe estimate that a small handful of teams are accused of employing similar sign-stealing methods -- a far smaller number than teams that employed steroid users in the late '90s.”


    Laugh out ****ing loud. Who wrote that ****, the onion?
     
  18. Chilly_Pete

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    Give me a ****ing break.
     
  19. Nick

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    It is extremely easy... and extremely lazy... for other team beat writers to write a slander piece on the Astros right now.

    i like the part where he justified the steroid use vs what the Astros are doing now being unjustified.
     
  20. HTown2017Champs

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    Once again: Can't stand Yankees fans and writers. They think their history makes them entitled. Waaaa waaaa waaaa we went the whole decade without even winning a pennant. So what, many other teams have gone much longer, and one (Mariners) has never won one EVER. 30 teams. Not just one or a small few. Every team starts the season equally: 0-0 record, 162 games ahead, same goal in mind (unless you're tanking LOL).
    Really want this verdict to just come and get this over with. Hope the punishment is minimal, and praying that they find the wrongdoing was limited to the 2017 regular season at home. Also really hope the Yankees get busted for something just to shut those asses up, but whatever, we know Manfred would never punish his favorite team which is also the league's cash cow.
     
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