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Slojoj Zizek wrote a new book about the refugee crisis

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  1. Deji McGever

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    And it sounds pretty interesting.

    Ignoring the click-baity headline, it seems a welcome addition to the discussion on Europe's refugee problem.

    My favorite bit:

    The left’s refusal to confront cultural differences between refugees and Europeans, the philosopher feels, actually promotes intolerance: “The only one talking about it openly are these anti-immigrant right-wingers, and we are leaving this field to them,” he explains.

    Instead of “prohibiting any critique of Islam as a case of ‘Islamophobia’,” the European left should have the courage to openly discuss the differences between different sets of values, he says.

    “It is a simple fact that most of the refugees come from a culture that is incompatible with Western European notions of human rights,” writes Žižek. “The problem here is that the obviously tolerant solution (mutual respect of each other’s sensitivities) no less obviously doesn’t work.”

    Žižek even goes so far as to say that Europe’s influx of refugees—and the rise of populist movements that seek to block or eject them—should force a reconsideration of the very concept of democracy. “Those who are pro-refugees say ‘we should be open, democratic,'” notes the philosopher, “but what do they exactly mean by democracy? The majority of people are clearly against immigrants.”

    Edit: sorry for the typo in the title
     
  2. Dei

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    Hahahahaha! After being wrong about the topic for so long, after ruining Europe and being responsible for the deaths of many, many people, they have already demonstrated a gross lack of sound judgment to render their opinion having any worth.

    Human trash that deserves to burn.
     
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    You're a swell human being.
     
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    You need help...in a serious way.
     
  5. Deji McGever

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    I honestly don't understand what he's trying to say. If he's anti-immigration, I'd figure that a prominent Leftist philosopher writing a book critical of the whole thing wouldn't be something that would anger him enough to burn people.
     
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    I thought "human trash that deserves to burn" was an especially awesome phrase to use when talking to a Jew.
     
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    wow...you are just a horrible horrible person
     
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    Stop letting trolls derails threads, y'all know better.

    I agree with some of the take on the article. I never liked how the situation turned into a either or thing with no middle ground. Even if you have compassion and sympathy, you shouldn't ignore the obvious social problems a large influx of people in the millions into a largely homogeneous continent with vastly vastly different values. It's not just Islam either, the same problems would exist if you dumped millions of American refugees into Japan, just to a lesser extent because the cultural difference isn't as polar opposites as the middle east and Europe.

    I hate that people jump the gun to label people just for having a different opinion, if you don't agree with refugees influx you are a bigot, if you criticize Islam you are a Islamaphobe etc. etc.
     
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    No - it's the leftists that are horrible horrible people. You just have to see what they did in Europe. What they're trying to do here is to softly absolve themselves of any blame and to reclaim authority on the issue of migration - despite all they've done.

    Europe is in shambles. Their project to impose socialist values in Europe, specifically the EU, has eroded the identities of nation-states. Then they forced multiculturalism by the importation of millions of Muslims which has created a fifth column to their societies. They get terror attacks almost weekly.

    So I'm sorry, but I don't feel like being kind to people who've made other people's lives miserable. They have blood on their hands. Don't bother with listening to the left anymore. They no longer have any capital left to give an opinion of any worth.

    If you want a good opinion on the refugee crisis in Europe, here is Geert Wilders, leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom, strong contender for Prime Minister of the Netherlands on the effect of Islam in Europe:

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/qv-XPg1Odho" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    I think the European model of accepting refugees is very flawed. The U.S. has a far superior immigration policy and we see the net result.

    The issue isn't immigration, it's in the type of immigrant that is let in. In the U.S. refugees go through a 2 year vetting process unlike Europe, and I think that is the difference between a successful policy and a failed on.
     
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    Sweet Lou, you forgot to mention all the illegal immigrants.
     
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    They also come from Latin America instead of the Middle East and Africa. It's not that great of a cultural dissonance and much easier for immigrants to adapt (and be accepted).
     
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    Thanks for posting this, Deji. Zizek totally gets it. I have been saying this for years. Of course, for saying that, the intellectually lazy leftists and the Muslim activists quickly label everyone an "Islamophobe", which is obviously a misnomer and a propaganda tool.
     
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    I am speaking specifically to the many Muslim immigrants that come here from places like Syria. You see far better assimilation of Muslims from those regions in the U.S.

    I think part of the problem is that in Europe the immigrants are let in en masse and placed in an area where they don't actually have to assimilate, they are also left to struggle on their own.

    Part of the problem is obviously the refugee situation. It's a tough problem on what to do with refugees. But certainly there are steps that Europe could take to help them assimilate better. The fact that Muslims do assimilate into the U.S. shows it is possible and not just a complete incompatibility with western culture as some like to make it out to be.
     
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    They are just a much tinier fraction of the population. The ideology itself is incompatible with western culture, and with basic human rights and dignity. That doesn't mean that people who only represent a tiny fraction of the population and who are more hand-picked with regard to education, etc. cannot individually still be good and decent people.
     
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    It's already creating a backlash amongst many (mostly Israeli and American and UK) journalist colleagues who are doing precisely that. I don't agree with them, but that's because they romanticize uneducated religious people as noble savages as long as they are from any culture but their own and seem unaware of how incredibly condescending, hypocritical, and provincial that is.

    The minority of Middle Eastern and African people who embrace western secularism and humanistic values is still a LOT of ****ing people, many of them amongst some of the greatest writers, academics, artists, and other thinkers in those cultures and doing this throws them all under the bus. We are doing them an incredible disservice by buying into that.

    The Left is full of many public intellectuals who espouse this, and to me, it immediately discredits them, even if I agree with them on every other subject.
     
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    Absolutely - like Can Dündar, the former editor-in-chief of Cumhuriyet Newspaper, who got imprisoned by Erdogan.

    He absolutely rightly criticizes Angela Merkel for her submissive support of Erdogan.

    In German:

    https://kurier.at/politik/ausland/c...angela-merkel-fuer-tuerkeipolitik/220.263.692
     
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    That is not what he is saying at all. He is saying the culture is incompatible with the west, not their religion.

    People who do not espouse western values (equality, human rights, pluralism) should not be allowed in - that should be the litmus, not their religion.
     
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    How do you separate culture and religion in that case?

    According to your definition, the average Muslim from the Middle East should not be let in, because equality between men and women is certainly not there, most of them believe in pursuing a supremacy of their religion and in an inferiority of people of other beliefs, in the death penalty for apostates and homosexuals, to just name a few. This is not "espousing western values".
     

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