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Sloan Sports Analytics Conference '18

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by scolandry1, Feb 24, 2018.

  1. scolandry1

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    Thanks for posting this
     
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    Awesome. Loved every second of the panel talk.
    Reinforced many of my beliefs.
     
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  4. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    There's another video with Nash and Battier where a fan ask what is the next big develop in BBall is and Moreys says what the Rockets are aiming for is :
    1. What will players do when they get money
    2. Self awareness of their skills and where they rank compared to the great players
    3. What are their habits/worth ethic to improve their gap/ skills.
     
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  5. PersianRocket

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    Was present at the conference this year. Morey did a wonderful job and the NBA executives seem to have a high praise for what he's doing with the NBA. He's really revolutionized the game.
     
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    Yes, the Dwight Howard not wanting to run Pick-n-Roll delayed the Rockets progress.
    But Morey got us here despite the detour.
     
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  7. topfive

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    Such a great point, and one I rarely see expressed here. Howard absolutely derailed us. It's to Morey's credit that we were able to recover so quickly.

    The only thing that's weirder than Dwight agreeing to what we had planned for him, then not wanting to actually do it, THEN sulking when the offense wasn't re-tooled around him, is how many CFers still don't see Dwight as the culprit of us being a .500 team a year after going to the WCF.

    To me, it's utterly obvious that Dwight was not just the main culprit, he was pretty much the only reason. Sure, Harden went into a funk, but what caused that funk? Yeah, Trevor looked uninterested at times, but why was he not locked in? Absolutely, MilkHair/JB were lacking a good deal of coaching finesse, but how was that different than the WCF year?

    Answer key to the above quiz: 1) Dwight, 2) Dwight, 3) Dwight

    (And in case any of you thinks I'm a MOF, I do think his all-out quest to land another superstar caused him to overlook lots of warning signs when he signed Dwight. That one bad move could have easily cost him his job.)
     
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    Just my opinion.

    1) Lin & Asik: helped lure Harden into signing an extension immediately after the trade to Houston. Lin-sanity was still fresh on everyone’s mind.

    2) Harden/Lin/Asik: helped lure Dwight Howard. Howard wanted a solid backup behind him in Asik. Asik claims
    he was promised to be the starter.....supposedly Rockets had no interest in bringing in another center. Part
    of being a GM, things change.....upgrade at the time emerged.

    3) Harden/Dwight Howard: suppose to lure 3rd star. Dwight is not well liked by NBA players. Came out that
    Hawks traded Dwight Howard to the Hornets; Remaining Hawks players texted each other jubilation.

    4) Harden/Eric Gordon/Ryan Anderson: With Howard gone money was freed up to bring in EGo & Ryno.
    Signing Ryan Anderson was a means to an end. Price was expensive due to salary cap increase at the
    time......but will result in another big free agent coming this summer. Even if it means moving a
    plethora of picks.

    5) Harden + spacers (3-pt shooters): lured CP3

    6) Harden/CP3: lures 3rd star. ballscientist1 cries

    Just like the Heat.....just like the Warriors......just like the Rockets NOW......vets will take pay cuts
    for the opportunity to win a championship.
     
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    Can anyone attend these?
    When/where is it held and how do u sign up?
     
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    stupid quote function
     
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    KARDASHIAN FAMILY
     
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    Thanks for posting. Finally made time to watch. Good to get insight to their thought processes.
     
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    Anybody can attend. Its once a year in Boston and costs around 400 dollars to attend. You sign up through their website.
     
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    Yea I agree with you man except with Lin and Asik luring Harden to sign here. It was more the money and being the number one guy. If anything Harden didn’t really want Lin here. Specially after the Portland series were he cost us the series. Plus Lin felt he was the main guy since he got payed like that to play here. Back then Parsons did play a roll in helping with the chemistry of the team. He got along really well with Lin and Harden.
    Harden wanted to just prove himself. He did it for himself and his future that was a lot of money, too.

    Howard came here mainly because of Harden even if Parsons thinks he had a lot to do with it. Dwight’s stated that a couple of times. Parsons was just trying to hard to lure him. He probably texted him and called him a bunch.
    I always felt Parsons wanted the credit of bringing Howard here so that he would get pay more by the Rockets once he hit free agency.
    I don’t think Lin or Asik influenced much in Dwight signing here to be honest. They were good players but Dwight just wanted out of LA and to try to win a chip. And we had another superstar here in Harden.
     
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    Well Linsanity was fresh on everyone’s mind. If Morey hadn’t pulled off the Harden deal about a week before the
    season, Lin/Asik/Parsons would have been the show. But we all found out Lin’s defense was too bad!!
    No lateral footwork on defense.

    I believe both Harden and D12 were drawn into the China market that Houston had/has created with Yao
    and then Lin. Supposedly Dwight asked management to trade Harden soon after he got to Houston.
    Dwight denies it; but Dwight denies everything. It’s been well known that Dwight Howard hates PnR
    ever since Shaq said Howard would be the best PnR Center Orlando ever had. But not the best Orlando
    center ever to play.

    Without Harden on the team Howard could run his post up offense that nobody wants anymore.
    Rockets are still the top seller in China. Prime for a LeBron or Aaron Gordon to tap into, if
    they were smart. Over a billion people in China.....selling one NBA jersey to half the households
    goes a long way. Or shoes.
     
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    Morey joking about Chris Bosh in front of Bosh :p
     
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    It was a fun experience. I was there presenting at the first pitch case competition.

    Good experience.
     
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    Take That for Data: Takeaways From the Sloan Conference

    Daryl Morey: Traded Picks Like Cigarettes In Prison

    Daryl Morey believes draft picks are the easiest way for trades to happen since it's the most effective way of equalizing the values of players.

    Teams have become increasingly reluctant to relinquish future first round picks in trades over the past few seasons.

    “They’re like cigarettes in prison. That’s the only currency you have,” Morey said Saturday at the “Take That for Data” panel. “The value changes up and down all the time, and it makes for a not-very-liquid market.”​
     
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  19. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/...analytics-conference-jimmy-butler-daryl-morey

    Interesting concept..

    Morey said that the league should allow teams to put player-performance conditions on draft picks during trades, so that a pick’s ultimate position could be affected by the success or health of a traded player. But there’s been resistance to the idea from the league office, Zarren said, since it would become difficult to keep track of all the conditions.
     
  20. JayZ750

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    I understand why DM would like this. They mentioned various things in that segment to give the trade market more liquidity. To do that, given you have a limited number of participants, you need to fragment the value into as small pieces as possible.

    So another idea was being able to trade your ping pong ball combinations. So the worst team in the league could theoretically trade away half their shots at the #1 pick and get something back, and still keep half their shots, etc, etc.

    They also discussed being able to trade cap space. DM noted how it's kind of doable now, especially if a team is under the cap, but moreso just by utilizing multiple teams, expiring contracts, etc. But they were talking about even more, say a team that is projected to be under the cap next year could trade away that cap space for that year type stuff.

    Personally, especially with regard to player-performance conditions, I'm not a huge fan... though I can't pinpoint why exactly.
     

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