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[SI] Zach Lowe: Van Gundy, Morey call out McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Mar 4, 2011.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    About comments made by JVG and Morey regarding McGrady and other Rockets players.

    http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/03/04/van-gundy-morey-rail-against-mcgrady/


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    Malcolm Gladwell, the best-selling author, is moderating the first panel, which is about the notion, developed by experts who study talent and discussed in Gladwell’s book “Outliers,” that anyone interested in being truly great at something has to practice for at least 10,000 hours to reach an elite level of greatness. The point of the panel, which features Jeff Van Gundy and Houston Rockets’ GM Daryl Morey, is ostensibly to talk about things like the concept of “natural talent,” the importance of work ethic and how to weigh those variables in the draft and in free agency.

    Perhaps it was inevitable with the heavy Rockets flavor on the panel, but the discussion quickly to turned to Tracy McGrady — in an unfavorable way. “Tracy McGrady was 1,000 hours of practice,” Van Gundy said, to some pretty loud laughs. “He should be a Hall of Fame player. His talent was other-worldly. He was given a great leg up in the race against other players. He’s as close as I’ve ever seen to someone with a perfect body and a good mind.”

    And then Morey got to the heart of it: “McGrady was the most gifted player I’ve ever had on the roster. I do think [his talent] got in the way of Tracy’s development. Much of the game was so, so easy — and you see this in the AAU level, where they have freakishly talented players. When it’s that easy to dominate at that young age, because of your physical tools — his wing span was freakish, his size was enormous, his IQ. But my sense was that all of that did get in the way of Tracy reaching his highest heights.”

    Poor T-Mac. But it wasn’t over, yet. Van Gundy came back to McGrady later: “I like a lot of things about Tracy McGrady. I just wish I could have changed his practice habits and his mentality.”

    None of this is really disputable — Morey and Van Gundy are far from being the first to say this kind of thing about McGrady, and it’s sad to think about someone that talented failing to work as hard as perhaps he should have.

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    Other highlights from the Gladwell panel:

    • Van Gundy referred to Charles Oakley as “a rocket scientist” in terms of his on-court IQ;

    • He also called Bonzi Wells fat;

    • Justin Tuck, a defensive lineman for the New York Giants, is also on the panel and knew both Jamario Moon and Gerald Wallace in high school. Tuck said Moon was far more talented than Wallace during their teen years, but even then Wallace was the gym rat who worked harder on his game.

    • Want to be really sad? Here’s Van Gundy on Yao Ming: “I thought Yao Ming was a model athlete. You take his ability to genuinely enjoy others’ success — which almost hard to find in the NBA — to be as truly happy for others as he is for himself.”

    • Van Gundy on Shane Battier: “He had the most unique ability to concentrate on every possession in practice and in games that I’ve ever come across.” Of note: Van Gundy says Battier is not the sort of guy who spends a lot of hours in the gym by himself, working on his game or his shot.
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    That last comment on Shane Battier is interesting to me. As much as Battier is praised for being the model role player and "intangibles" guy, one thing about him is that he was never really committed to improving his skills.
     
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    you and the si writer took the last comment extremely out of context. Van Gundy essetially said that Battier has a great understanding of his body and understood that if he practiced as hard as he wanted to that he simply wouldn't have the gas to play effectively in the game... thus, Battier doesn't spend hours practicing by himself.

    Saying he has never committed to improving his skills is almost criminal in its deceptiveness.
     
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    Good stuff coming out of the Sloan conference. Besides the stuff about McGrady, the comment about Jamario Moon and Gerald Wallace is interesting.

    I wonder how many ex-NBA players are in attendance and what they think about these comments?
     
  5. durvasa

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    From: "The Art of a Beautiful Game"

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    ... His evolution from all-around player to defensive specialist, though, has been a gradual one. As a senior at Detroit Country Day High School in 1997 he was the Naismith player of the year. At Duke, he was a star on both ends of the floor, setting school records for blocked shots and finishing eigth on the school's alltime scoring list while receiving the Naismith and Wooden awards as a national player of the year as a senior. Early in his NBA Career he was a capable scorer, averagin 14.4 ppg as a rookie for Memphis; at 6'8", 220 pounds, he was versatile enough to play multiple positions. The longer he played in the league, though, the more he realized that he was built for D. (He hasn't averaged more than 10.1 ppg sine that rookie season.) "I don't have an offensive mind," he explains. "Soe people are brilliantly creative offensively. I'm not that way. I can't see how plays develop on offense, but I can see how plays develop defensively and what the rotation should be, two to three passes from the current point during the play."

    Thus Battier has embraced defense and become that guy for the Rockets, ...
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    [preparing on game day]
    6:02 p.m. Taped and dressed, Battier jogs from the locker room to the court to go through his pregame shooting routine. It is the only time during the day that he will focus on his individual offense, cycling through a handful of post-up moves, mid-range jumpers and three-pointers, making 10 to 12 from each spot before moving on.
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    Developing his offensive game just has not been a focus of his, and I don't think its deceptive at all to say that. I remember also reading somewhere that he doesn't play basketball at all in the offseason. He runs and does yoga or something.
     
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    It really sucks that such a great guy like Yao was cursed with injuries while scumbag players like Garnett play long health careers.
     
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    Mcgrady IMO had more talent than Kobe, but the difference between the two is Kobe is a hardwoker and Tracy simply not.
     
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    Practice and smart strength training translates well into basketball but professional and intangibles gets you playing time
     
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    So basically you're saying that he knows what he's good at and improves that? You're saying the exact same thing JVG said at the conference, that he hates players who try and play outside their game.

    Or do you think he should be more like TWill and try and be LeBron while being a 35% shooter from the field?
     
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    This is what he means. When someone is so gifted with natural talent and a good amount of BB IQ he tends to slack.
    His talents got in his way to reel off the hours.
    Talent's a b......
     
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    Kobe is actually the perfect combination of work and talent.
    Dude is still a tool. Not the brightest.
     
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    Battier has found his niche as an all-defense, glue guy who relies on mental preparation and zoned-in concentration. He just did not commit to improving his offensive skills, and his lack of progression in that phase of the game since his rookie year shows that very clearly. On the whole, he's been a good player throughout his career, but would it have been a waste for him to put more effort into developing his offensive game? I don't think so. I guess he values his time away from basketball too much to be bothered with it.
     
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    pretty much what I said about shane a long time ago. Shane was a well rounded basketball player on offense in memphis,then he turned into a specialist. I watched shane get better every year in college and after his rookie year he just stpped getting better. Its not hard to see who is in the gym in the summer and who isnt. Hayes worked on his offense this summer, but the yrs prior he didnt. Look at landry from yr 1 to yr 2 offensively. If next yr all patterson can do is the same thing he did as a rookie, then he's not working.
     
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    Battier spends most of his time reading on his opponents.
     
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    Playing outside of your game and not practicing on your weaknesses are two different things.
     
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    Edit.
     
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    Good insightful post. I had always assumed Battier worked on his offense, but was just not very talented and recognized his limitations.
     
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    We'll never really know this for sure. McGrady's injurys could have been worse than we are led to believe. Anyone with a back injury knows it really hurts like a b****. ESPECIALLY A SPASM. It doesn't ever truly heal and will follow you forever. If McGrady was hurting too much to exercise the muscles most important to basketball player, his core, he's already at a disadvantage. Yes Kobe has played through injuries, but nothing regarding his core.

    Go to the gym sometime and shoot a basketball. Notice how much you naturally use the back and ab muscles.
     
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    Great find durvasa, much needed in the garm, for as slow as it is.
     
  20. Kwame

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    Anybody who's watched Battier with a critical eye as opposed to blind worship, could clearly see this.
     

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