Ditto. In any case, anybody know what Scola's true height is? I'd be disappointed if he's Stromile's size... or even Shane's.
Scola may be good and even NBA good but keep in mind this article talks about one of the best two "Euro" players. I have watched plenty of Maccabi while working in Israel over the last 5 years. It is no exciting or efficient basketball. It is a majorly different game played at a much lower skill level. Granted they may be better teams the the NBA/USA but individually, the skills are not there. If they were then the success rate of Euros would be much higher here than it is now. How many Euros get hyped, drafted and two years later are gone or being shuffled until their contracts are up , then gone. This guy may be the real deal but I just wanted to give some perspective to this guys opinions.......... ummmmm errrr article about the great Euro competition. I am a big Rox fan and am stoked about Scola being an upgrade to the PF position here but let's remember that the level of this team was such that Francis and James are actually upgrades at PG. We definitely have better talent now than last year though so.... Go Rox!
Most of those guys don't have the experience that Scola has. Many of them never even played serious minutes on their Euro teams. They were drafted strictly on potential. There are plenty of US players who are also drafted and wash out and are gone.
Don't mean to be irrelevant, but you might want to correct the grammar of the thread title(you're - your). It looks worse than our offense without T-Mac.
As far as I can find out from looking up his various profiles: He lists between 206 or 208cm tall (depending on the site you find) 7' is 213 it is 2.5cm per inch So according to the measurements I've found, he's AT LEAST 6'9, possibly 6'10. at least he didn't 'look' Stromile size on those clips - but I guess we'll wait to see how he measures up on court!
I'm pretty sure the international competitions list players barefoot and that they update the heights in case players had grown from an earlier measurement. If you look at Yao's measurements from his first NBA draft it says 7-5 (2.26m) barefoot, and one about 6 months later says 7-5 1/2 barefoot (2.27m), while Yao's Chinese listings always say 7-5 (2.26 m) barefoot. But if you look at international listings (not team listings or league listings) that don't list on the Chinese National Team, for example the actual Olympic or FIBA listing, which they claim are barefoot listings, Yao was listed at 7-5 1/2 (2.27m) barefoot in the 2000 Olympics and at 7-5 3/4 barefoot (2.28m) in the 2004 Olympics and 2006 Worlds. Now using those same types of measurements they have Scola at 2.06m barefoot, which equals 6-9 1/2, so he should be conceivably 6-9 1/2 barefoot. The problem is that the NBA doesn't actually list the foreign players by the same way they list the American players. Unless the foreign player actually goes to a draft camp. As far as I can see over the years the rules have basically been these, and it really is ridiculous that people use the listings to judge player size and position because the rules the NBA has are so lax and have so many options that a guy could be 2 inches taller than another guy, yet actually be listed 1 inch shorter than the other guy. Generally, in the NBA it is very lax and very non-uniform. 1. Player's can choose in-shoes height or non-shoes height. 2. Teams can choose draft measurements or team measurements, which then supersede draft measurements. 3. Heights can be either rounded up or rounded down based on the choice of the player. However, if the player chooses barefoot height the height can not be rounded down, although it can be listed as say 6-11 1/4, as 6-11. 4. Only team listings need to be updated, the actual listings in media guides and websites do not have to be. This is based on choice of the team. Also player listings on websites for players from college often are simply the college listing, also an option of the player in order to make the NCAA heights look "more legitimate" as I remember Stern putting it when they added that rule. So if a player was listed at 6-4 in college, but only measured 6-3 in shoes and rounded up, the player could still choose the 6-4 listing. 5. They are supposed to add 1.25" for all players for a "uniform shoe size" because that is the average shoe size and this was added as a way to correct the fact that some players had a half an inch shoe and some had a 2 inch or more shoe, which obviously messes up listings if you go by shoe height. However, because of all of the above player and team "options" this rule is often negated and is basically meaningless. 6. For foreign players they should be under the same only if they actually were measured at a draft camp or measured by an NBA team prior to their training camp. If not measured by an NBA team, then either their height listing overseas, or their height listing from their physical (taken overseas) will be used. 7. For foreign players the height is usually barefoot, the NBA does not change this to shoe height initially and often never does change it to shoe height in order to again make the NBA heights "more legitimate" as Stern put it when they made that rule change, because people often noticed players from overseas were suddenly growing an inch or two upon joining the NBA, so Stern wanted to make it seem like the NBA was also listing players barefoot, by simply keeping foreign players listed barefoot, but the rule they use is if the height is half an inch or more, they should round up. So if a player is listed at say 1.97m in Europe which is 6-5 1/2 and change, then he would probably be listed at 6-6 by the NBA. Because they go ahead and round up the half an inch or more if it is a barefoot height. This is often confused by overseas fans and NBA fans as the player was listed by shoe height. But it's often just because the perception is 1.97 m may be 6-5 or 6-5 1/2, not 6-6. which in essence it really is 6-6 because it's like 6-5.56 inches. It's the problem of the English system isn't as exact as the metric system. 8. If the player already has a listing from a previous draft that listing can be used and does not have to be updated. So that foreign player may be 6-7 now, but if he was listed at 6-5 or 6-6 by an earlier draft that can be used. Even if the height is updated by the NBA team, the actual web listing and media guide does not have to be updated. To give some Rockets examples, with Vassilis Spanoulis he was listed at 1.92 m barefoot (about 6-3 3/4) by his European team, which was a listing from several years ago. This height should be rounded up then to 6-4 for NBA standards for listing foreign players. However, Vassilis Spanoulis in the 2004 and 2006 international listings, which are newer, was listed at 1.93 m barefoot (6-4 barefoot), so by NBA methods, he should still be listed at 6-4. In order for him to actually be listed at 6-5, his shoe height, he would have to have actually been measured by the NBA team at camp or at a draft camp. If he was an American player, he could be listed at 6-4 (his barefoot height as is his choice), he could be listed at 6-5 (his shoe height, or his "uniform shoe height", which is barefoot height plus 1.25 inches), or he could be listed at 6-6, his shoe height rounded up, as long as his shoes were at least 1.5 inches thick, which many players do wear. So by NBA listing standards he is 6-4, but by NBA height standard versus American players he's probably about the same height as most 6-5 or 6-6 players in the league since about 95 percent of the players choose shoe height listing and most wear the biggest soles then round up. This could very well be why Jeff Van Gundy believed he was a shooting guard. But why NBA fans can only see him as a point guard, because the listing methods are so weird, fans don't actually get the real sizes of players, especially the foreign ones. But as a Greek player, he is listed at 6-4, this is the NBA's ideas of "official listings." Because otherwise it would make it appear that the NBA padded his height when he joined the league, which confirms suspicions overseas that NBA player height is padded by an inch or two in most cases. Stern's solution, just keep foreign players heights the same, not something logical like actually using barefoot height like they do overseas. Yao was measured at a draft camp originally at 7-5 barefoot and so as rules stated his shoe height was listed at 7-6 1/4. The next time he was measured at a draft camp he was listed at 7-5 1/2 barefoot, so they listed him as being 7-6 3/4 in shoes. Later, when he actually got to Houston he measured 7-5 3/4 barefoot (the same as the 2004 Olympic measurement, which again is not to be confused with the old one of 7-5 from the Chinese National Team listings. Yao was listed as 7-5 originally by NBA. Why? Because his first draft measurement was 7-5 barefoot, so under rules he could choose that listing. He then was listed at 7-6 because under NBA rules his new barefoot height was 7-6 (7-5 3/4, which would be rounded up). Yao chose barefoot listing as is his choice, so either time he is listed barefoot. He could have under league rules always been listed at 7-5 because the Rockets have a choice of whether or not to actually update the listing. Yao could still be listed at 7-7, since under league rules he could still choose to be listed by shoe height, or even 7-8 if he chose shoe height plus rounded up like many players do. But because he is a foreign player, initially no matter what his first year he would have been listed 7-5 and then 7-6 if he like Scola or Spanoulis had never been measured by NBA before joining the team, but he of course had been. This then could only be changed in subsequent years in October, and again does not have to be updated by the team per league rules. So, if Yao had never been measured at a draft camp or by the team before being listed then he could only be listed at 7-5 or 7-6 (his old or new height barefoot) per league rules. This could only be changed the year after he joined the team. All these height listings have to be changed in October or wait till the next year, but again, only have to be updated at team information, not media or web sites. This is just used for information for NBA GM's. Again they don't even have to be updated on team media guides or web pages. Just look at Summer League listings for example, often they have the growth change heights for the young players and the new weights because those are the camp listings, but the web listings are never updated. I mean people actually expect that some guys in 15 years never lose or gain a pound of weight? Or that NBA teams don't weigh these guys every training camp? In other words, the bottom line is, Scola is most likely 6-9 1/2 barefoot, but under league rules he can be listed anywhere from 6-9 to 6-11. 6-9 because he has a previous draft listing at 6-9 which under league rules does not have to change. Also, because from that he has web site and media guide listings at that 6-9, which also do not have to be updated. 6-10 because that's his barefoot height rounded up, which is how rules state teams should list the foreign free agents. 6-11 because that could be his shoe height or his shoe height plus rounded up, but those listings should be after his first year and only if the team chose to update it, which again it does not have to be and also because again the player himself could still choose barefoot listing, which in Scola's case then even if his height was updated later on would still be 6-10, because his barefoot height by NBA rules is 6-9 1/2 rounded up. Basically, the height listings by NBA is generally irrelevant for anyone that's actually trying to simply use the listing if they are simply thinking this actually is a true comparison of how tall each player is to each other player. It's also often very wrong on American players like I said because players can be listed 2 inches taller than they are or simply as barefoot. This means a guy could be 6-8 barefoot, be listed at 6-8 barefoot, and another player that is 6-7 barefoot can be listed as shoe height plus rounded up, which if he has 1.5 inch shoes or more, suddenly this player is 6-9. The one that is 1 inch taller, would actually be listed 1 inch shorter. Never mind like I said the college rule thing Stern added. Where if that 6-7 player was listed at 6-10 in college, he could still choose that 6-10 listing to make it appear that the NCAA is not padding heights. Now that 6-7 player is listed at 6-10, while the 6-8 player is listed at 6-8. Yet fans will really believe the 6-7 player is 3 inches bigger than the 6-8 player. Whether Scola is listed 6-9, 6-10, 6-11 by NBA he is most likely 6-9 1/2 barefoot because the FIBA listings are just generally the player's height without shoes and the metric system is a lot more accurate. Whatever the NBA lists him at or more specifically a player profile web site for NBA like nba.com, espn.com, etc. probably shouldn't even be referenced. Because for foreign players we generally do have their barefoot height listing already from FIBA. In fact, the NBA listings should probably be ignored.
Absolutely agree but the topic of this thread is how he is the second best Euro player , not a non-player. He is being signed on more than his potential specifically that he is a proven winner. We definitely need more of that, (hope T-Mac learns a thing or two about guts from Scola, Battier and even Francis). Bring him on. The Rox are probably going to get another PF from someones bench anyway (Denver, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta...).
Rookie, I think you're listed wrong. Definitely worthy of member status. That was a damn fine post. Kudos. So Scola is easily 6'10", using the generally accepted NBA height standards, if you cut away a lot of the exceptions, etc., and he could be listed as 6'11", and he'd be pretty close to that with shoes. Wow. That's a lot bigger than I was thinking. I've been trying to rein in my excitement about stealing him from SA, but I've heard about how good this gentleman is for years. He may not end up being an All Star, but in my opinion, we've got ourselves an impact player and a starter at the 4 for practically nothing. Incredible.
According to: FIBA: 2,04m ACB League: 2,06m CABB (Argentine Federation): 2,06m Euroleague: 2,07 What I can tell you is that he is a between 1 and 2 centimeters shorter than Oberto (1 cm = 0.39 inches). Who according to the NBA site is listed as 6-10 / 2,08.
