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Should tip-back attempts count as rebounds?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by iconoclastic, May 13, 2012.

  1. iconoclastic

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    (inspired by tonight's Lakers-Nuggets sequence where Pau Gasol collected like 10 offensive rebounds in a row from missed tip-backs before finally making a 2 point bucket)

    A rebound is when a player secures possession for his team, so why should an often poorly aimed tip-back shot count for as much as a secured possession for his team? I would only award an offensive rebound to the player when the tip-back goes in the basket. Otherwise, it should count only as a missed shot attempt, which it also does now.

    Tip-backs should not be confused with putbacks, which is when a player comes down to the floor after securing a legitimate offensive rebound and then goes back up for the quick shot. A tip-back imo, on the other hand, is when a player does not secure possession and only rather pokes at the ball that is up for grabs in the general direction of the rim.
     
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    The reason it probably does because technically most times they could pull down the rebound and go back up if they wanted but choose to try and put it up faster then someone can defend the shot.

    Definitely a grey area.
     
  3. goodbug

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    Because every missed shot has to have a rebound. Even if the missed shot goes out of bound, a team rebound is counted. It has to be matched so that stats are consistent.

     
  4. iconoclastic

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    Maybe a new stat, separate from Rebounds? Tip-Back Attempts?
     
  5. Easy

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    If the tip doesn't count as rebound, then it shouldn't count as a shot attempt. You've got to have possession of the ball to have a shot attempt, no? I do agree that it should be counted as just ONE rebound after it misses or makes the basket no matter how many times you tip it, just like nobody gets the rebound when the ball is tipped around among several players.

    BTW, what about the tip-outs? When the bigs don't have position to grab the rebound, they often tip the ball out to the guards to secure an offensive rebound. I think it is unfair to credit (at least not totally) the guard for the rebound when all the effort comes from the big.
     
  6. Ziggy

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    Its fine the way it is.
     
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    Why not make a new statistic category that counts for two???
     
  8. Classic

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    Have you ever played basketball? The tip rebound is def a player's attempt at turning a possession, albeit brief, given the situation into a shot attempt.
     
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    Interesting question because if the rebound is tipped out of bounds, no one gets credited with the rebound + a turnover
     
  10. MrButtocks

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    It's fine the way it is. Demarcus Cousins probably gets four or five tip attempts a game. It pads his rebounding stats but kills his FG%. It balances out and players do deserve credit for getting another shot at the basket.
     
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    It should not count as a shot attempt unless it is a made basket (kind of like AND1s).
    Should it count as a rebound? Yes, but only if it goes in.
     
  12. Pieman2005

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    It's a rebound because it came off the rim and you tried to tip it in
     
  13. Shroopy2

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    The opposing player CAN rebound the ball away. Steve Nash can try a tip-back, but he's not securing the rebound. So there's no stat padding for him.

    Then should the oppossing rebounder NOT get credited for a rebound when he gets a tip-back miss that really should be counted as shot attempt or a rebound in the first place?

    So Pau Gasol tries 3 tip-backs that dont count as anything, but if Javale McGee GETS the ball off a missed tip-back he doesnt get credited for a rebound either? Stat disqualifications for all :confused:
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    This. Plus, if Gasol gets credited with a missed FGA, he should also get credit for the rebound.

    Plus, why do you want to make it more complicated?
     
  15. Dreamin

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    only if they can do it from the 1st attempt. Definitely not when try like 3-4 times in a row.
     
  16. Easy

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    That's the whole point of the question. If it didn't count for a rebound, it wouldn't count for a FGA. This is not as simple as it sounds. What if the tip doesn't touch the rim. Does it count as a rebound and a missed shot or just a non-possession tip? And what if a player tips it up, and his teammate puts it in the basket. Should it count as a rebound and an assist?
     
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    This is less about the rules as it is a judgement call. Similar to how assists are handed out. You assume the guy keeping track can tell whether it was a legit shot or not.

    In this situation, doesn't the guy he tips it to gets the rebound and the points?
     
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