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Should Chris Paul have some type of a game/minutes restriction for the rest of his contract?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by oogie boogie, Dec 21, 2018.

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  1. Yes, he should at some capacity, and likely will.

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  2. Yes, he should at some capacity, but likely won't.

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  3. No, he shouldn't, and will continue to be a part of the normal rotation.

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  1. oogie boogie

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    Obviously, it will likely be hard to convince MDA or Paul of actually going through with it due to ego, pride and the need of him playing, but it is a sacrifice that should be considered for the good of the team, and CP3's career. All HOFs (except Kobe and LeBron lol) have sacrificed at some point in their career, and I think it is now CP3's turn.

    I believe the most obvious one both would be willing to agree to is Chris not playing in any back-to-back games. He's played in four B2Bs this season, and he got hurt in the 4th one. Instead of playing these games and preparing for them, he should be resting, stretching, and letting his muscles and body heal. Will MDA or/and Chris suggest and accept this change though?

    Still, how much more extreme should the Rocket go? Would Chris or MDA object to a minutes restriction? In 11 of 26 games played (only one went to OT) he has logged 36 minutes or more. That's 42%. (For reference, he only played 36+ minutes five times last season. Six times in his last season with the Clippers. 15 times the season before that. 38 times in the season where he hurt his hamstring the first time against the SA Spurs in the first round.) Would Chris object to a minutes cap of 36 minutes which would be about 9 minutes a quarter? He does average 33.2 minutes a game, so it's not like he is constantly in risk of hitting 36 minutes. But why should he be going over 36 minutes in a regular season game that isn't going into OT? Would it be even more hurtful to his pride if the Rockets said he couldn't go over 32 minutes or 8 minutes a quarter? It's not like James Harden can't play those 4 minutes as the point guard. How far can the Rockets go with limiting Chris Paul's minutes? 36? 34? 32? Or just not going to happen?

    Should the Rockets also incorporate smart "rest games" that don't depend on any B2Bs? Popovich used to do this where he would randomly rest his stars on days that aren't B2Bs. Maybe a stretch where the Rockets play 5 games in 10 days, so perhaps Chris sits out one of those five?


    Thoughts? I think most of us will say yes, but I wonder if the Rockets will actually go ahead with at least one of these. This is all under the assumption that the Rockets do not obtain a back-up point guard, and go forward with Knight/MCW/Gordon/Green as potential back-up guards. This is also under the assumption that Chris Paul will not be shopped or traded since I know some people will bring up the option of trading him instead. Would love to have a reporter/journalist ask the Rockets about limiting Chris Paul in the future. Even without a proper back-up it seems like the smart and safe thing to do.
     
  2. J Sizzle

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    Yes, but we won’t.
     
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  3. kjayp

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    MDA's been runnin both our 33yo players (CP3 and PJ) 35-39 mins pretty consistently... now he'll prob run PJ more wo CP3 available...

    all because of MDA's 'trust issues'

    it's what he's always done... overworks his starters in the pursuit of reg season statistical accolades...

    he'll never learn... smh...

    CP3 should be capped at about 30 mpg...
     
  4. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    God I hope Morey is “smart enough” to mandate this from the top. The evidence is too much at this point.
     
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  5. Nook

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    He plays Harden and Paul so much because we would be 5 games under .500 otherwise. MDA and Morey maped out a minutes restriction last year for Harden and Paul and they finished the season right at their minute levels.

    This year Paul’s and Harden’s minutes were to go down. They haven’t because half the roster is garbage. When MDA has turned to the bench most of the year it has been a disaster.

    Get MDA a legitimate back up point guard and forward and watch Harden and Paul see their minutes drop.
     
  6. kjayp

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    It's shortsightedness...
    You play the hand yer dealt...
    MDA needs to try to develop guys instead of worrying about his 'trust issues'
    You can lean too heavily on James and CP3 and what's that gonna get you - an injured CP3 and a Harden that has no gas for the playoffs... as we've seen in the past...

    I wanted to see us try to acclimate Melo more and use him on post ups - that didnt happen...
    We signed Clark to contract - and he's barely made it on the floor since...
    When GG or House have been on - their minutes have still been limited...
    Hartenstein looked like he had potential that could be developed...

    playing short rotations should not be an option given the age of our team...

    Put guys on the floor. If they suck... just makes it all the more apparent that Morey needs to make a move...
     
  7. Sidarma

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    Year 1 of a 40 mil supermax and we are already talking about minutes restriction :(
     
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  8. Nook

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    Honestly, Anthony did not fit.

    Clark is shooting under 30% this year.

    I don’t agree on Hartenstein, he isn’t very good.

    There is no reason to limit Paul and Harden’s minutes if you aren’t making the playoffs because your bench is hot garbage.

    If you want to be pissed at someone, don’t be mad at the coach, be mad at the person that constructed the roster that is 7 deep.

    Those guys on the bench have less talent than almost any other group in the NBA.
     
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  9. DaBeard

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    @Nook you implied in another thread that Morey has turned down a couple deals because he doesn't wanna include draft picks. Care to share details?
     
  10. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    It is more of a Morey built a G League quality bench issue
     
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  11. theoldblood

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    Not sure, we need as much as we can get out of CP3. What I'm curious about is why his hamstring is always crapping out on him.
     
  12. kjayp

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    Agree to disagree...

    Our roster isnt great... but there's some potential... like Trez when he got glued to the bench by MDA - even after Nene went down and he expected Harden to cover LMA and Pau...

    It's easy to label 'our bench' as being the problem... but CP3 hasnt been great and EGo's poor performance isnt some byproduct of Moreys offseason (unless trade rumors have contributed to his decline)

    Harden/CP3/EGo/PJ/CC - starting caliber - some of whom (Ego/CP3) have under performed....

    GG/House/Ennis/Nene (when healthy) - decent support personnel that round out your core 9... all have an eFG above .500 - higher than EGo or CP3

    Knight/Clark/Hartenstein - question mark guys who's potentials should be explored and try to develop - thats 12 that should be in the mix...

    MCW/Chriss - exclusively garbage time...

    The roster isn't that void of talent... it just hasnt all jived...
     
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  13. ThunderStruck

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    If he's doing the proper strength training for his hamstring, is warming up well and is stretching well before and after, then the recurrence is due to fatigue.

    So a minute restriction would help. His injury last season was after three games in 5 nights and playing 41 minutes, then 37 minutes in the game he got injured. This recent injury was on the second night of a back to back and with 6 games in 10 nights with no more than one day of rest. So there has to be strategic planning with his minutes and games at least in the regular season.

    In 2015 he played 38, 41, 44 minutes before the game he injured his hamstring.
     
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  14. cdxiong

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    50-60 regular season games and 15 playoff games. Morey needs to plan the roster accordingly so they can still be competitive without cp3.
     
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  15. Newlin

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    I don't know if a minute restriction does any good. Seems like if you have bad hams, they can blow out at any moment. Paul blew out this ham early into the game. The man just has bad hams.

    I guess you could have Paul play in only game 7 of playoff series.
     
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  16. ThunderStruck

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    Once you injure your hamstring, your likelihood of re-injury increases, especially if you don’t give full time for complete recovery after the previous injury. Paul is likely always going to be prone to these injuries.
     
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    He should be on the Duncan plan where he sits back to backs and play like 30 mins a game till the playoffs from here on out
     
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  18. tc0330

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    only way he does get less minutes is if we get a spencer dinwiddie type backup.
     
  19. magichat281

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    That fool walked off that Miami court like he was 50 years old. man that dude not even that old to be having that many hamstrings in one year.. Sad ass dude.
     
  20. Dankstronaut

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    there’s also the compensation effect where you start injuring other areas by unconsciously compensating for your current injury. CP def needs a reduction in time overall. I think in general they’ve got to work in these young guys, if it means tanking it means tanking. If it means shedding good players for future assets, so be it. What they can’t do is keep driving our best players into the ground.
     

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