Sheriff goes off on dishonest "journalists" in regards to teens drowning incident

maybe they should make it illegal for media outlets to spread false news

 

We are living in a world created by the lack of responsibility. Kids aren't responsible for their actions, the media isn't responsible for what they deliver, our politicians aren't responsible for their actions... parents aren't responsible for their kids.... it goes on and on.

I think this goes hand in hand with the idea that the government should take care of us. That direction and idea won't end well either. A people who are not responsible for their own housing, food, healthcare, retirement, daily expenses and well-being will never be able to teach their children how to be responsible because they are not themselves responsible.

 

It certainly seems sad that a "news" outlet would argue in court for the right to lie to its viewers, but the "most trusted" 24 hour "news" outlet out there did exactly that.

 

unfortunately, social media has done NOTHING but spur an increase in false and bad information getting to the public. People blindly believe a LOT of crap posted without ever checking sources and this is another one of those instances.

 

Just like you guys aren't responsible for actually thinking and digging into issues but instead just buy into the right-wing talk crap you are spoon-fed?

ironic that you make this statement given the media sources you rely on.

 

Do two wrongs make a right, or do you agree that we are living in a culture of little accountabilty?

 

Accountability? It's something that the rich and powerful have never had through the course of human history.

The Church hasn't been accountable for pedophillia. Corporations are not accountable for the toxins they release, or the laws they have broken. Politicians are not accountable to their constituents. Business people are not accountable for losing millions of people's retirement.

It goes on and on and on, and some people want to focus on the poor not being accountable? Give me a break.

 

I don't trust this because it's a media report.

 

Soooo...It's wrong, but since everyone else is doing it, everyone should do it.... Integrity. Gotta love it.

 

You act like accountability doesn't go top to bottom. The liberal agenda is moving us further and further toward a state controlled completely by our government. Bernie freakin Sanders is an acknowledged socialist and getting a LOT of votes. The politicians are paid by the rich to maintain the EXACT kind of system you are complaining about. Do you know who the politicians who want the most political control get to vote them in, the poor people that they promise to take care of. Behind close doors (or in giant speaking halls) they are taking money from exactly the same banks that collapsed our housing market and took bailout money only to hand it to their CEOs.

I hate the same crap you hate, the difference is, I don't believe more political control will fix it. Maybe if they get the money out of our politics I might trust them a little more.

Taking responsibility for our children is not a financial debate it is a moral debate that defines our country. There is no question that being poor makes things harder but it does not change right and wrong or the fact that these kids have nobody that taught them the difference.

 

The problem is that it's not just the poor. Lack of accountability in this country ranges from the very top to the very bottom. While the poor might want hand-outs, the rich want carte blanche and bailouts. It all comes from the same mentality, and the source of that mentality is the government.

 

I don't trust politicians anymore than you do, nor do I seek more political control. At the same time, I don't trust corporations either - I have spent the last 10 years working with execs at corporations and I understand very much the mentality and how individuals think - they are only care about profits and promotions - nothing else. They will throw anyone under the bus if need be. The idea isn't to trust gov't, it's to use gov't as a tool to hold others accountable, including corporations. It's not about handouts to the poor - if you think investing in education and infrastructure is a handout well I don't know what to say. If you think the internet, the highways system, and all the research that gave this country an edge is political control - I think we are just having different conversations.

That makes no sense.

Most hand-outs go to the rich, not the poor.

 

The cop has to defend his guys, but to say they did anything remotely brave to try and save the girls is more dishonest than saying they did nothing at all.

They took off their shoes, waded a couple of steps into the water, decided it was too dangerous to help a bunch of criminals not die and walked away. They performed probably the absolute minimum they could to avoid the accusation that they did nothing at all.

Of course, the cop has managed to completely turn this back on the media as all the comments in this thread indicate, which is a nice job of deflection by him.

Sort of like the Tamir Rice case where the city pays out $6 million dollars, and the police union tries to spin it that it was all the kids fault and the family should donate all the money to keep children from playing with toy guns.

If I were given a binary choice to describe the situation and had to choose one or the other between "they did everything possible", and "they did nothing at all", the second of the two would more closely characterize what occurred.

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Gualtieri told The Associated Press that the girls had seven arrests between them in the past year for auto theft, and that he's upset by not only the girls' deaths but an auto theft "epidemic" in the county.

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Fundimentally, the crime should have no relevance to the worth of the girls' life. This is classic character assassination and the unspoken implication is, "They were bad people and deserved to die."

 

Well, you didn't answer my question.

Do two wrongs make a right, or do you agree that we are living in a culture of little accountabilty? It was a simple yes or no answer, but you went on a rant whilst sidestepping an anwer to my question. I suppose that makes more sense to you.

 

I would agree that we couldn't spend our tax dollars in any better way than to increase our educational spending. The single most effect way to make this country great again would be to triple the salary of our teachers. Make being a teacher a prestigious, well paid and sought after position and our children will benefit. I also agree to a lesser extent about the internet and highway systems.

I don't believe that our politicians believe that a more educated population is beneficial to them. Just like they very much want to make certain we have a divided population that is angry at anyone but them.

stupid voters that are mad at each other because of how stupid they are...

 

You might consider that it was a Far Right Supreme Court that opened the floodgates for corporate money to suck the life out of our democracy. Ponder that. That Supreme Court decision was bitterly opposed by the liberal/progressive members of that august body. Yeah, read that again. It is liberal Americans who are attempting to get big money out of politics. Some Sanders supporter is going to go off on Secretary Clinton for taking "big money." Well, she has to play within the system. Change the system and she'll change how she raises the money needed to run for President. Elect either that "socialist" you're afraid of, or Hillary Clinton if you want to get a Supreme Court willing to take Big Money's hands from around the neck of the American voter.

 

No, two wrongs don't make a right. That's obvious. Accountability is an issue everywhere. I am just saying if you are going to call out the poor on accountability, why stop there? I mean really, why pick on the poor who at least have a freaking excuse. What's the excuse of everyone else?

 

People don't want to invest in education. They can only state that we spend all this money on education but have a crappy system. No one is talking about how that money spent is terribly unevenly distributed.

Yes salaries of teachers need to be increased more by a substantial margin, but we also need better teachers and while better salaries help it's not the cure all.

We need more mentors. That's an area to invest in. Kids who are not performing well need someone to help them change their direction while they are still young enough. It's hard being working poor and the kids of the working poor need role models and guidance not just someone teaching them the 3 R's.