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Scott Boras 2019 Offseason

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by lnchan, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:48 PM.

  1. lnchan

    lnchan Member
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    Scott Boras has had an awful postseason... Kyler Murray, Bryce Harper, Dallas Keuchel, and Marwin Gonzales are all his clients...

    ...BJ Armstrong faints.
     
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    He is being black balled by the owners.

    It will be interesting to see how long before the clients dry up.
     
  3. Fyreball

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    Yeah, what's happening to him and Rich Paul right now are perfect examples of why super-agents aren't all they're cracked up to be. They can get away with pulling strings for a while, but eventually owners and GMs start getting sick of their bullshit, and start colluding. There isn't anything that can be done if a billionaire owner decides to pick up his phone, call another billionaire owner and say, "Hey, you know what.....**** Scott Boras, am I right?"
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    I'm not sure this is the case though burning bridges has a similar consequence. There are only so many teams. The Orioles owner gets to watch Chris Davis play. The Padres owner got to watch Hosmer watch Bregman hit the walk-off pop up. I'm sure GMs have informed their owners of Hosmer and Davis's contracts. Boras's tactic of going over the GMs head straight to the owner was only going to work for so long. He's going to have to deal with GMs like other agents. Not sure there is much reason to have a super agent if you are dealing with an analytical front office.
     
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    I don't know that he's being black-balled - he's just asking for too much. If players with other agents were getting the contracts he seeks, that would be one thing. But no one else is either. The difference is other agents take the smaller offers when they can, which puts his clients in a tough spot if they wait too long.
     
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    The baseball contract bubble for veterans bursted.... Boras should not be arguing that owners are "colluding" against him, he should be arguing for a system change whereby younger players make more money sooner.
     
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    This. Though, spreading out money to younger players makes it harder for him as it is easier to give 10 expensive veterans TLC than 30-40 moderately paid younger players.
     
  8. Nick

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    True.... but it will evolve to where the best of the best younger players, who are either granted earlier restricted free agency, or unrestricted based on some opt-out clauses that favor the player over cheap teams, will be the ones seeking out his services in order to get paid.

    Agents also go through bubbles/waves of client representation. This happened in football prior to their revamped CBA, salary cap, and free agency. Leigh Steinberg went from being the most powerful football agent out there to having almost no clients (he also had personal problems). He's now making a comeback and represents Mahomet. Similar happenings with the late Dan Fegan and the NBA.
     
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    Drayton smiles

    He has no ring, but he smiles
     
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    Good. He can choke to death on my balls.
     
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    He's got that 2005 NL Championship ring.

    First time I saw someone from the Astros organization with some sort of championship looking ring I was confused... then I figured out what it was... didn't realize you got a ring for that.
     
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    It only took 20 years.
     
  13. lnchan

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    We got a commemorative championship DVD for that year also
     
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    He's the same guy that put up a "Wild Card Champions" banner at the park...
     
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    Don't all teams do that?
     
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    Not sure about all, but I’ve seen several that do
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    I went to games in Atl, SF, KC, and Baltimore while traveling for work last year.

    Each of those stadiums had wild card pennants/banners hanging
     
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    Michael Kay from ESPN radio and the Yankees said he talked with an agent and the agent said it's not collusion. The teams figured out that overall there is a significant drop off in WAR after age 32. The teams just got smarter.
     
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    Except young players can make more money sooner through abitration, especially if they are performing. Harper got 21.7 million for 2018.
     
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    This is 100% true. It's no coincidence where these 10 year $200M+ contracts started. Did anyone see ESPN MLB teams? Someone must have hacked the site. It has Orioles logos with teams like Albuquerque Null, Nippon Fighters, Nashville Sound, Detroit Tiger Futures.
     
  20. Nick

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    They aren't arb eligible till they've been in the big leagues for four years.... and then they get the luxury of arguing for a 1 year contract amount that is worthy of their performance (while the team usually tries to argue for a lower amount).

    This is already after they've spent 1-2 years in the minors making virtually nothing.

    If they weren't a high draft pick that signed a nice bonus... it may literally be 6-7 years before an all-star caliber player may start making a comparable salary worthy of an all-star player after going pro (as opposed to all other sports).

    And if they happened to be a 4 year college player, then spent an extra .5-1 years in the minors for the team to get more service time, they're literally already 30-32 years old before they become an unrestricted free agent, for which we now know owners are drawing the line at signing long-term due to across the board WAR decreases past that age.
     
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