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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by No Worries, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

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    Rule 5

    Players not on the 40-man roster who are eligible for the Rule 5 draft for the first time this year:

    Alaniz, Ruben
    Borchering, Bobby
    Buchanan, Jake
    Cain, Colton
    Cotton, Jamaine
    Doran, Bobby
    Fernandez, Jose
    Franco, Enderson
    Gomez, Edwin
    Heidenreich, Matt
    Hernandez, Enrique
    Marte, Ydarqui
    McCurdy, Ryan
    Mejia, Yonathan
    Meyer, Jonathan
    Mier, Jiovanni
    Minaya, Juan
    Moon, Chan
    Morales, Jobduan
    Nash, Telvin
    Ramirez, Francis
    Rivera, Raul
    Robinson, Andrew
    Rodriguez, Richard
    Santana, Domingo
    Shirley, Thomas
    Singleton, Jonathan
    Sogard, Alex
    Torrez, Raoul
    Wates, Austin
    Wojciechowski, Asher

    Players not on the 40-man who were eligible for the Rule 5 draft for the first time in a previous year and will eligible again this year. Some of these players may be minor league free agents this offseason:

    Alvarez, Luis
    Ambriz, Hector
    Berger, Eric
    Burgess, Michael
    Castro, Erik
    Cruz, Luis
    De La Rosa, Luis
    Escalona, Sergio
    Garcia, Rene
    Genoves, Ernesto
    Gonzalez, Alex
    Gonzalez, Alfredo
    Gonzalez, Edgar
    Heredia, Angel
    Lamb, Cameron
    LeBlanc, Wade
    Lin, Che-Hsuan
    Martinez, Jose
    Moronta, Cristian
    Musick, Wes
    Perdomo, Carlos
    Perez, Carlos
    Quevedo, Carlos
    Quezada, Euris
    Rivera, Darwin
    Seaton, Ross
    Simunic, Andrew
    Stoffel, Jason
    Tiburcio, Frederick
    Urckfitz, Pat
    Weiland, Kyle
    Wikoff, Brandon
     
  2. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

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    Bolded the guys who I think have to be given some consideration. Varies from very unlikely to slam dunks.
     
  3. No Worries

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    It might be best to look at this in tiers.

    No doubt:

    Santana, Domingo
    Singleton, Jonathan
    Wojciechowski, Asher

    Bubble:

    Buchanan, Jake
    Doran, Bobby
    Cruz, Luis
    Garcia, Rene
    Perez, Carlos
     
  4. boozle222

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    How could you not include Ambriz!
     
  5. vince

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    With as deep as the Astros are getting i the minors. Teams will be looking forward to the Rule 5 to scavange the Astros talent.

    So Lunhow is going to have to continue to be proactive and trade mediocre MLB potential in their systemwho have value for younger prospects or for MLB club stopgaps in the Astros.

    It is going to be a very demanding system for sure.
     
  6. vince

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    One more thing. If necessary they can select one of their own minor league players in the rule 5. I know it has been done by other clubs.
     
  7. RunninRaven

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    Is this Rule V draft order based on team record as well?
     
  8. boozle222

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    So, in a sense, we have 41 roster spots if there is someone that they want to protect and draft with the 1-1 rule 5 pick?
     
  9. vince

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    Yes, that is my understanding.
     
  10. MykTek

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    *crosses fingers* please no one take a Johan Santana from us again....
     
  11. No Worries

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    My understanding is that teams have 40 roster spots. If a team decides to draft a Rule 5 player, a spot will need to be made open on the 40 man roster.

    IIRC the Astros entered last year's Rule 5 draft with open spots on their 40 man roster.
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The following current players should readily be removed if there are any questions about any of their prospects being exposed.

    Bedard, Hunber, Clark, Pagnozzi, Gonzales, Harrell, Cruz, Laird, Crowe
     
  13. juicystream

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    When has this ever been done? I'm not sure you can do that.

    You definitely can't do that. If you have a full 40-man roster, you can't make a selection.
     
  14. juicystream

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    You have to have open spots going into it. You have to set your roster prior to the Winter Meetings (there is a set roster date).

    This is to say, we can't go in with 40 guys, and then decide to cut one of them on the day of the draft. Doesn't work that way.
     
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    Bedard is an UFA after the season. Absolutely will not be on the 40-man. Humber, Clark, Pagnozzi, & Gonzalez are gone as well, though it will be via team refusing Humber's option and DFAing the other 3. Organization hasn't said anything regarding the last 4. I have to think Laird & Crowe are 90%+ chance of being DFA'd, while Cruz & Harrell are kind of up in the air.
     
  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I trust that if it comes down to Harrell and/or Cruz over a player they plan to have on the team in 2015, they will pick the player they intend to have on the team in 2015.
     
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    The question is, do they think Harrell or Cruz will be on the team in 2015?
     
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    Harrell is one of the biggest question marks IMO. Because he was so terrible people completely forget how solid he was.

    Even this year he was 5-7 through 16 starts with respectable 4.32 ERA in the AL. To go along with his 3.76 ERA for the whole year last year.

    Because we have talked about it so much, I think a lot of people have lost sight of the level of prospect that will be exposed in the Rule V. We're talking very fringey guys. Now any prospect has value, but you have to ask realistically whats more likely. This prospect actually achieving it's promise or Lucas Harrell regaining a form he has already displayed at the major league level.

    I think it's Harrell. I would keep him and let him battle Wojo and Keuchel for that 5th spot.
     
  19. vince

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    My misunderstanding. I had previously read how Atlanta had selected one of their own players in the Rule V back in the 1990's. Maybe they made room in case someone exposed a better player and since nobody did, they simply re selected their own guy.

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  20. juicystream

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    I found it. It was 1988, and it was because they had made a clerical error:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/1988_Rule_V_Draft

    [rquoter]In an unprecedented move, the Atlanta Braves selected the first player in the draft from themselves. A clerical error had left Ben Rivera unprotected, and the Braves had to use the first pick to reclaim him.[/rquoter]

    [rquoter]As a result, the Braves had to pay $50,000 and use the first pick in the draft to keep one of their own prospects.[/rquoter]

    I guess he didn't have to stay on the 25 man roster, since he spent the whole season in the minors.
     
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