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Rockets don't like "in-between" shots

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Nov 25, 2012.

  1. mike_lu

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    Going through and repping a few people for this great thread!
     
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    Wondering if there's numbers for Felton this year? Just to see whether he is ably to utilize Tyson Chandler and Steve Novak like Lin last year?
     
  3. just a word

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    Yes for Novak, no for Tyson, but I don't know how much of that's due to Tyson being sick for the early bits of the season and the Knicks being lights out on the 3:

    Felton 12/13:
    3pt: 34 (~44%)
    Close: 13 (~17%)
    Dunk: 6 (~8%)
    Jump: 24 (~31%)
    Total: 77
    Passing Rating: 10.4
    AST48: 10.3

    Kidd 12/13:
    3pt: 18 (~47%)
    Close: 12 (~31%)
    Dunk: 1 (~2%)
    Jump: 7 (~18%)
    Total: 38
    Passing Rating: 6.8
    AST48: 6.3

    Which means that Kidd is somewhat more efficient than Felton; not a surprise given Felton's mini-meltdowns when Kidd-less.
     
  4. mike_lu

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    Thanks, great. I would say the data for 3-pt assists due to JR Smith going crazy from 3, and Carmelo getting mismatches outside playing PF and hitting a career best at 3ptFG this year more so than Novak, who has been fairly quiet.

    Thanks! Repped you before already!
     
  5. instar

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    I just want to say this is A great thread. folks here dropping some knowledge.
     
  6. durvasa

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    For all the people that think this is a good thread, don't forget to you can use the thread rating tool at the top. :)
     
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    Just rated it one star for thread rating whoring. :p
     
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    I just cancelled you out. ;-)-
     
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    We have to joint forces against the evil Sith named Carl
     
  10. just a word

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    Actually, that's a good point. Went to look it up

    Novak 2011-2012 (per game):
    FGA: 6.3
    FG%: .476
    eFG%: .673

    Ast'd: 96%
    PPG: 8.8

    Novak 2012-2013 (per game):
    FGA: 6.1
    FG%: .358
    eFG%: .507

    Ast'd: 96%
    PPG: 6.4

    Eh, apparently he's attempting about the same amount and getting assisted the same amount, but he's just not finishing as well. Which is either completely on him (which... I don't know, he's seems to be a pretty consistent worker and he hasn't had an injury) or he's not getting the shots in good spots/non-contested. :confused:

    I need to actually go back and watch the games to be honest.
     
  11. instar

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    i think it's due to their pace, they're like the slowest team in nba. last year semi transition situation helped him a lot and to be fair, everybody knows novak's game at this point. opponents are very well aware of that. don't ever leave him open.
     
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    League avg for 3 point shots
    .367
    League avg for mid-range to close
    .415
    League avg short-range
    .535
    Dunks
    .905

    On a game with an avg of 95 possessions/game...

    nothing but three's: 104.7 pts.

    nothing but mid's: 78.9 pts.

    nothing but short's: 101.7 pts.

    nothing but dunks: 172.5 pts.

    What's also important to consider are the fouls, free throws, and higher probability of put backs that accompany layups/dunks. Conversely, the lower probability of rebounds per missed 3 pt shot. In a perfect world, with all things being equal, Lin/Harden could slash and take it to the hole every play, with multiple dead-eye shooters ready behind the arch to kick out to. Luckily we have Lin and the Beard who already excel, and will only get better at attacking the rim. We just need that spacing provided by legitimate 3 point threats, and that athletic big to mop up around the rim. The open mid-range jumper would be a third option in that scenario.
    *hiccup*
     
  13. meh

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    There are always ways to get a shooter open. And Novak gets good looks even this year. Perimeter shooting is just one of those things where percentages change year to year. And last year Novak was simply abnormally more accurate than his career numbers. When that happens, the next year it generally reverts to the norm.

    In other words, Novak picked a very good year to shoot abnormally well, got payed, and is now back to his norm. The same norm that got him cut multiple times.
     
  14. Type Raba

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    but the mid range jumper keeps the defense honest. right now both harden and lin do not shoot off the pick. they have become too predictable and good defenses will shut both of them down.
     
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    I don't think we have numbers for this, but I would guess Lin would be among the PG leaders in terms of a pass that directly leads to a shot at the rim that is fouled, leading to two FTs or an AND-One.

    Sometimes that is as valuable as an assist, because you're fouling the interior defenders and you put the team closer into position for the penalty.
     
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    Hmm, actually someone would just have to chart all PG's Ast breakdowns and find the PGs with the highest Dunk Ast % + Close Ast %'s.
     
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    You made a great point. I just realized those passes leading to fouls under the basket are actually more valuable than other types of passes (ie jump-shot assts). You get a foul and 2 FTs, but there is no assist from the pass. I think that makes a better deal than a normal assist though.
     
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    Yes, given the league-wide average for FTs would be in the 70%+ range, point per shot would be around 1.4 to 1.5. Or below dunks but above other types of shots.
     
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    0.429 3pt% is Novak norm? If norm put you roughly in top 10 % ranking every year he going make some body roster. Every team could use 3pt% specialist.
     
  20. durvasa

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    There's a new article at HoopsSpeak talking about the Rockets and their dislike for long 2-point jumpshots:

    http://hoopspeak.com/2012/12/houstons-offense-a-combination-of-great-shot-selection-poor-shooting/

    It closes with:

    [rquoter]
    ...

    How are they doing it?

    The whole team is taking on the scoring trends of Harden, one of the league’s real pick-and-roll experts. This data reflects the power of the spread pick-and-roll offense. Even though the players are not executing at the highest level — ie, they aren’t making the shots which this offense creates — just the fact that Houston plays a certain way is worth a major uptick in points.

    For the most part, mid-range jumpers are not a part of Houston’s system. The big men almost never pop on ball screens unless it is to the 3-point line (Marcus Morris comes to mind). Omer Asik, for instance, is almost exclusively diving hard to the rim. With multiple guards, Harden and Lin, who are tough to keep out of the paint and wings like Chandler Parsons who aren’t afraid to let it fly from deep and can attack closeouts, defending both the rim and 3-point line is tough.

    That’s great, but Houston’s offense is not as good as it could, or perhaps should, be. Patrick Patterson and Chandler Parsons both finish pretty well at the rim with field goal percentages of 70.4 and 65.0, respectively, but Harden is shooting just 61.3 percent at the rim, Jeremy Lin 59.7 percent, and Omer Asik, 58.7 percent (keep in mind, the league average at the rim is almost 64 percent).

    And because those three players account for over half of Houston’s rim attempts, even modest improvements going forward will result in a noticeable bump overall. Harden, for instance, shot a staggering 70 percent at the rim last season. But Lin and Asik have never been league average finishers, so their outlook is less optimistic. For Houston, the question isn’t whether they are doing the right things on offense, it’s whether its players have the talent to take advantage.
    [/rquoter]
     

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