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Religious intolerance in Indonesia: Muslims as victims of brutal killing

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    http://www.economist.com/blogs/asia...secution_indonesia?fsrc=scn/fb/wl/bl/godsname

    Murder in God's name

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    INDONESIANS are reeling from one of their country’s most awful incidents of religious violence in years. It happened on February 6th, in a village in Banten, the western end of Java, not far from Jakarta, a district where strictly Islamist parties poll well. Out of keeping with the more usual pattern of Muslim-versus-Christian attacks, this was a mob attack by Muslims against men who claimed to be their own fellows: members of a Islamic sect called the Ahmadiyah.

    Three Ahmadis were killed and five seriously injured in a frenzy of violence: footage of the assault was deemed too graphic to be shown on Indonesian TV news, which tends to have a fairly high tolerance for the stuff. Instead the footage is circulating on the internet, if you have the stomach. Indonesians are asking what could have motivated religious people to commit such a barbaric act (“sadistic” is a word being bandied around)—and why the police were so feeble in their attempts to stop it.

    Nerves have been frayed further by another spate of religious violence, first reported this morning. Elsewhere in Java a Muslim mob burned down three Christian churches, all the while calling for the death penalty to be brought against a Christian man whom they accused of blaspheming against Islam. They were apparently unsatisfied by the judgment of a court, which had already given him the harshest sentence available (five years in jail) for distributing leaflets that insulted Islam. This sort of mob violence is not rare enough.

    But Sunday’s lynching was something on a different scale entirely. These murders were aimed at the sect itself. Ahmadiyah was established in India in 1889; modern Ahmadis believe that their founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was a prophet and messiah. This, of course, contradicts orthodox strains of Islam, which all hold that Muhammad was the final prophet.

    Non-Ahmadi Muslims have long regarded Ahmadiyah as an apostasy. Its adherents are a persecuted minority almost everywhere they are to be found: the Pakistani Taliban carried out an especially terrible massacre of Ahmadi worshippers in May 2010. There have been attacks on them before in Indonesia, perhaps three in the past decade, but nothing remotely as gruesome as what happened on Sunday. A local group of Ahmadis had gathered at the home of their leader and then refused to disperse, despite complaints made by their neighbours. A 1,500-strong mob then arrived at the house, dragged the people from inside their mosque and fell on them with machetes, knives and sticks.

    The sheer savagery of the attack shocked the rest of the country. Many Indonesians also felt let down by the police, not for the first time. The local police had been aware of the threat posed to the Ahmadis, and indeed they asked them to leave, for their own safety. The Ahmadis had replied that is was the police’s job to guarantee their safety, according to the constitution.

    The footage of the attack shows that the police’s attempts to stop the mob were half-hearted at best. To critics of Indonesia’s police force, their pitiful effort is further proof of a lack of direction and authority at the top. The president, Susilo Bambang Yudhyono, has dithered in his defence of Ahmadiyah, sometimes suggesting that he might sympathise with its persecutors. As one disappointed adviser to the government told me, yet again the state has proven itself to be weak and ineffective when it comes to upholding laws concerning the freedom of religion.

    And all this in Interfaith Harmony Week, launched amid considerable pomp and ceremony at the Jakarta Convention Centre on the very same morning at the attacks. As my government interlocutor admitted, Indonesia still has a way to go to “walk the talk” one hears so often: of a peaceful and tolerant country of many faiths.

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  2. trustme

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    Why are they so worried about non Muslims who slander Islam when so many Muslims (radicals) themselves slander Islam on a daily basis when they carry out terrorist attacks in the name of our religion? In my opinion, Muslims have no basis for attacking non Muslims who insult Islam when it is our own people who have been committing 'self blasphemy' for the past decade. If we fix ourselves and the way we represent our religion, no one would be talking **** about it.

    Oh and ATW, this wasn't murder in God's name. Propaganda fail.
     
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    This Amhmadiyya thing is even worse in India I believe?

    Such a shame. I've been saying for years now that Indonesia is going to become the heart of religious extremism due to the socio-political climate and the wahhabist money, islamic 'education', and marketing materials being dumped into the country. Desperate and hungry and uneducated people want to believe that there is someone to blame, other than themselves, for their situation. If you take advantage of that by propogating your extremist belief system and rewarding extremist behavior with cash, then you've got these people wraped around your finger.

    I feel like Indonesia is going to slowly descend into ideological extremism now, which is unfortunate given their huge potential to be a political and economic juggernaut.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    This is the title of the Economist's article, I copied and pasted. Sorry if The Economist is not a reputable source in your opinion.
     
  5. trustme

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    I know. Just making sure that you understand this.

    The 'propaganda fail' was directed towards The Economist.
     
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    First off it's an opinion piece... in the blog section... with no information on the author(s). It has nothing to do with the Economist's reputation (which isn't even an impartial media outlet - but since when have you cared about impartiality?)
     
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    That's all you have to say about this brutal murder against Muslims in the name of Islam?
     
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    It's more or less already happened, thanks in large part to the IMF policies that destroyed the country after the Asian economic crisis.
     
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    don't feed the troll.
     
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    Muslim on Muslim crime
     
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    More like Muslim on Humanity crime.
     
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    I think it will get much much much worse.
     
  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Do you think this is traceable to the Wahhabist influence (Saudi brand of Islam)? By the way, I learned this from you here and read up on it later. I did not know about this before you explained it.
     
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    It should be a sin to even ask others what their religion is. Just believe what you want and mind your own damn business. :mad:
     
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    More like idiots on innocents crime. :rolleyes:
     
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    Try telling those people they are not true Muslims. I don't think they will take it very well.
    There are clearly a lot of issues in that area and whether its caused by social economic factors or their religion you can't just dismiss there are problems by just brushing it off and saying they are "idiots".
     

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