[Religion of Intolerance] Muslim Mass Attacks, Mar 13

Let's listen to Air Langhi, the "expert" on degrees.

 

Terrorist groups like Al Qaeda need to be stopped but doing so militarily creates more hate and volunteers. Groups like this need to be killed but not with weapons.

I think CIA needs to get involved, introduce Syphilis, Crack, etc... Something crazy to decimate those groups from within.

 

What's incredible here is that Honey Bear not only doesn't know the truth, but he puts forward horribly false statements. He blames honor killings on Islam, and falsely states it doesn't happen in a place like India here it is all to common amongst Hindus.

But that doesn't fit the narrative that Islam is evil and violent. It just goes to show the level of xenophobia we are dealing with - but it goes beyond that as he is actually trying to put info forward to scare others.

It's very sad. People like Honey Bear and ATW are "bad people" as Trump would say.

 

Followers of Islam commit 91 % of "honor killings" worldwide.

But let's not blame that on Islam. It surely has nothing to do with Islam .

 

So because another religion does it, it's okay? What kind of logic is that?

 

I can't believe I'm defending Honeybear here but he didn't state that.

ATW is right. There is a disproportionate amount of honor killings that occur in the Islamic world.

ATW is right again that just because other religions have their bad apples, doesn't magically exempt Islam especially if you take into consideration scale.

The actual theological teachings of Islam as a reason for the current Muslim world predicament is never brought up here as reason besides by a few posters including me. Eventually what happens is a false equivalency occurs where an Islamic apologist here will make these unsupported false equivalences of how all three Abrahamic religions have pretty much the same moral teachings and that socioeconomic factors are 100% the reason. I'm not denying that socioeconomic factors play a role but it isn't the only role that is in play.

However in reality, the difference that matters between the two major faiths Islam and Christianity is the most venerated characters of each respected religion. Many posters here don't realize how morally reprehensibly Mohammad was. He was a vile human who held sex slaves, raided villages and ordered the assassinations of political dissenters. What do people expect would happen if 1.6 billion people were raised to believe that a man like him is the best example of what a moral human ought to be like? I mean... if you emulated Jesus's life, you ain't even getting laid.

 

do you think that the repetition of same garbage you bring each time ,would turns your hallucination into facts?

 

fchowd0311's post is excellent. I know that in your country, saying the truth like he did is threatened with the death penalty. You are a prime example of how ideological repression leads to stupidity and ignorance.

 

The problem is the text itself, it is flawed and supposedly can't be edited or changed, which makes it more dangerous than others. Islam needs a New Testament.

DD

 

forget about him , lets talk about you

did your father tell stories of how he served the Nazi in Germany? would you share some family history secrets with us , i mean that would be a change for once rather than attacking Islam or stalking female members on this forum !

 

actually this is a problem of lazy Googlisim, little smart search and you know its not Islamic at all

XD

 

You don't even really believe this ****.

 

there is a thread here "Dramatic Mortality Rate Increase Among Middle-Aged Whites Since 1999"..

how do you feel about that !since you think you are white trapped in south Asian body ...

 

Poor Saudi Arabia. If Exiled is representative of the average state of how educated and intelligent people are over there - remember, he even claims to have studied in the USA - then it is even worse than I thought.

 

Based on the behavior and interpretation of their followers throughout history, the only appropriate answer is "NONE OF THE ABOVE".

 

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"....For that reason, we ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul for other than murder or spreading corruption in the land, it is as if he has killed the whole of humanity… Qur’an 5:35

One of the gravest charges levied against Islam, in terms of its alleged antipathy towards women, is the claim that it encourages a phenomenon known as honor killings. This un-Islamic practice consists of the murder of female family members who are seen as dishonoring their families through real or perceived acts of indiscretion, such as premarital sexual relations or unapproved dating.

The practice of honor killings has absolutely no sanction in the Qur’an, the Prophetic practice, or in the evolved systems of Islamic law. In the case of fornication or adultery, the only way a charge can be levied against an individual, male or female, is through voluntarily confession............"

 

If I had a brick for every time somebody said "Islam needs a reform.", I'd have built the f**king Trump wall already.

The only thing you and I could remotely influence (because it sure as hell isn't us or a Guardian editorial that will reform Islam) is how the world reacts to Islam--and how to structure a society that is secular, and which increasingly promotes non-belief.

Islam doesn't need a New Testament. Islam, like all world religions, needs to lose its power and dissipate. And no, drones sure as hell aren't the way forward on that.

 

Atatürk tried. Now we have Erdogan. Islam is that poisonous an ideology.

It's very hard to get rid of bad ideas when people get brainwashed and threatened with death when they try to abolish the idea or leave the cult.

And that is not at the present time, on a global scale, the case with Christianity. So stop confusing the issue by throwing every other religion on the planet into the same pot as Islam. They are not the same. I'm not even saying I disagree with you that other religions have massive flaws and that one could argue (but there are also arguments against it) that the world might be better without ALL religions - but they are not the same.

Your argument is like saying "Hitler was a politician, so let's get rid of all politicians, the world would be a better place." It's stupid.

Mohammed was a warlord. Jesus was not. Stop pretending that Islam and Christianity are the same, and that their current interpretations are remotely similar. They are not.

 

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/05/quran-532-nazam-and-neglecting-context.html

In fact, 5:32 is the most ripped-out-of-context verse of the Qur'an in the West. Muslims (and even news organizations) often refer to this verse in order to show that Islam teaches murder is wrong and saving lives is the prescribed action for all people.

But this is absolutely not what this verse says. In fact, it says almost the exact opposite: that Muslims can kill those who are their enemies! The only way you can conclude as Nazam has concluded is to ignore the verses that immediately follow 5:32, as well as to ignore parts of the verse itself.

Here is 5:32 in its context, with all words included (emphasis mine):

Salient points:

1 - It explicitly states that this was a commandment to the Children of Israel, i.e. the Jews! This is not a commandment to all people, and it certainly should not be misused as if this is Allah's command to Muhammad's people.

2 - Even if this were a command to the Muslims, there's still an escape clause: "unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land." If someone is "spreading mischief", he can still be killed. Now let's think for a moment. The would-be Times Square bomber considers Americans to be spreading mischief in Palestine and around the world (practically all Muslims I know think this, even the ones who are American citizens). Accordingly, even if this verse were to apply to someone like Faisal Shahzad, he would still be justified in his slaughter.

As if this weren't obvious enough from the verse itself, the Qur'an further expounds this point in the very next verse. 5:33 says

This verse is referring to the Muslims, not the Jews anymore, as we can tell in the shift from past tense to present tense. And here, the punishment for mischief is clearly prescribed: execution, crucifixion, mutilation, or at the least, exile. This is the command given to the Muslims. Quite clearly, it does not teach what the Muslims proclaim it teaches; in fact, it teaches almost the exact opposite.

It is undeniably clear that, in order to make Islam seem peaceful, Nazam and many other Muslims rip this verse out of its context, take words out of the very verse itself, changing the entire message for something else. I wonder if they know they are guilty of Surah 5:13. In any case, we should not let ourselves (or anyone who might be interested) be deceived by the popular Muslim interpretation of these verses.

 

The bombing in Turkey was not inspired by Islam. The perpetrators were involved with the PKK, a Kurdish secular radical socialist group. In fact, their target, to a large degree, was political Islam, since they were targeting the Islamist and ISIS supporting government of Turkey, which the Kurds in Turkey are engaged in semi-civil war with.

If you are going to make statements about the middle east, please educate yourself first about what is actually going on over there, and stop spreading lies and misinformation.

Now, since I am a big supporter of the PKK affiliated YPG/J that is leading the fight against ISIS in Syria, and which is supported by the U.S. military, I just want to say that this is a heinous and terrible attack that happened in Turkey yesterday. It saddens me that a young woman who was fighting for her people and fighting ISIS would do this to civilians, regardless of the atrocities the Turkish government has been doing to Kurdish civilians in the last year. If she would have attacked the Turkish government or military actually doing this, then I would have supported her act completely, but citizens living under a government are not the same as the government, and to take advantage of their trust and faith in their fellow man to attack soft targets like that is inexcusable -- both when people like this female terrorist does it, as well as when the Turkish state does it.

I condemn this act, I condemn the Turkish state, and I condemn the terrorist groups like Isis and Al Qaeda that the Turkish state is supporting.