So what happens when Bernie is elected on this Medicare for all plan, and tries to eliminate insurance companies, only to find the insurance companies suing the government and dragging the court case out? The case would just get dragged out his entire term, and nothing would ever happen. That's not the way to do this. Also, what happens to employees of large hospital conglomerates that are now owned by insurance mega companies? That's started to happen. I work for one. Bernie wants to do some highly unconstitutional things that undermine the very fabric of our nation. He does seem like a bit of a commie conspiracy nut tonight. Did you guys cringe when Bernie was saying that billionaires shouldn't exist? Capping a person's wealth is the antithesis of The American Dream. Tax them at a higher rate, but in no way can you call their earnings. That's very unAmerican.
I wouldn’t worry about Sanders’ Medicare for all plan getting tied up in court. It would have to get passed first and to be blunt I don’t see that likely even with a Sanders presidency.
This. None of his ideas will get through. His presidency legacy would be based on whatever executive orders he signs + whatever judges he appoints to allow RGB to bow out gracefully. Bernie supporters are so ****ing blinded by policy that there is not enough money to pay for unless he raises taxes by a ton across the board.
Keep in mind even if Sanders wins if he doesn’t have a Democratic majority with Schumer as speaker he might not get his judges. I am pretty confident that if there was an opening in the USSC McConnell will be fine holding it open for four years if need be. Klobuchar is dead right that without a Democratic Congress there won’t be a lot of change
I don't see the insurance companies having a case at all. You aren't forcibly eliminating them .... you are just removing them from the equation by , for lack of a better description - giving people a better / cheaper option. The hospitals really aren't affected regardless of ownership. I have been against "socialist healthcare" from day one but have realized over time that single payer is where we are headed and that it is more practical financially since we have made the decision as a society that healthcare is a right .... not access to healthcare but actual healthcare. But watching all this play out , I think the best way forward is a public option first , not mandatory participation , let those who are paying high costs / deductibles and the like do that if they wish but give everyone a public option which eliminates the insurance companies profits and overhead .... that's a significant savings. Then prove to people this is a better way by providing the same quality care and medications and eventually you'll price the private insurance out of existence. I don't believe it would take long , assuming people got the care they believe necessary in a timely manner and there was no government body rationing care or otherwise keeping people from getting what they believe they require.
Depends on how its implemented .... straight up single payer , aint going thru a GOP held house or senate , a public option .... that likely gets bipartisan support.
Yes but a public option isn’t what Sanders is running on. If the goal was a public option then Sanders is pretty much Buttigieg in a Larry David costume. Sanders’ strength is that he is pushing radical change. If he compromises on that there isn’t a reason to support him.
I don't disagree. I'm no Sanders supporter , I'm sure you've read that. But lets be honest here - Most of the agenda / policy ideas Sanders is running on are for all intents and purposes impossibilities. I think he knows this and I think any of his supporters who comprehend math beyond the 5th grade understand these impossibilities. He's either going to have to compromise or he's not going to accomplish anything at all. We all know getting single payer with no private option thru Congress is going to be nearly impossible. We all know Debt forgiveness is an impossibility - even if the debtor is forgiven , someone has to make whole the lender. If you understand simple math , you realize Sanders projected spending is an impossibility at 71% GDP per year. What I was stating in the post above was a solution to get bipartisan support to A) get a single payer option thru Congress and B) reach the eventuality of single payer in the near future. Sorry if I derailed from Bernie's plan by doing so.
Every Modern country has universal healthcare except this one. The US Government is by far the single largest healthcare provider in this country. I think some doctors are going to have their salaries cut from about 700k to 400k. Even Microsoft who makes like a zillion dollars in profit has a high deductible insurance plan. The current insurance situation is completely broken.
A Sanders Presidency would be a disaster. He won’t have any support across the aisle and a lot of Democrats will not vote for what he wants done. His nomination would hurt democrats down ticket in a lot of states because he is so radical. He would not help flip the Senate and two years into his term, with little accomplished it would be a blood bath. He is McGovern for the Democrats.
It's good to know other countries have had healthcare for a long time. And it is apparently impossible here. What a time to be alive.
Sanders is just moving the needle, which I guess is now called the Overton window. I don't have any particular affinity or aversion for him but I would like to see your daily list of questions to the 63 million Kristallnacht reenactors who thought nominating and electing Trump was a rational idea.
I agree with you for the most part. My wife and I were talking about this. The ONLY way to get this done, in my opinion, is to offer an all-inclusive plan, but give people the option of keeping their current insurance, versus switching to Medicare. You have to then make Medicare so attractive that it puts the other insurance companies out of business, or else they offer better plans than Medicare. It has to be a long-term path. You can't just pass law that says they're gone. Bernie knows this won't work. His followers don't. People get so short sighted when it comes to elections.
Every major country on Earth can do this but we can't because what? Insurance companies? Suing the government for what? If the government wants to provide health insurance then it can do it. The whole Commie smear is pathetic. Giving everyone health care as a basic right is the norm around the world with industrialized first world nations. THE NORM. We ARE the conspiracy. Health insurance providers conspiring, drug companies conspiring to screw the public. The fact is a bunch of you are in such a malaise about what is possible in this country that you can't handle anything different than what has been thrown at your feet. The health insurance Bernie is proposing is done all around the world. People are sick and tired of our health insurance system. Nobody likes dealing with it. The answer to that problem is not more of the same. Our health care costs are unsustainable and out of control. The surest way to bring those costs down is with a single payer program. Period. Compare the prices you pay for health care and drugs to the prices paid around the world. Simple math. The current health care system is completely indefensible and yet somehow a lot of you find ways to do it despite the simple math.
I'm actually good with a Sanders presidency as I imagine the government's checks and balances will go back to being in use whether Congress goes back to being primarily blue or retains red. We'd have a functioning government again even if major policies like healthcare are caught in a stalemate. Like I said before though, anyone that wins after Trump is just gonna be clean up crew for all the corruption and incompetence we don't even know of. Trump is scraping at the bottom of the barrel for incompetent unqualified members in his administration while driving out anyone that would contest him. The scandals we do know of are surface level compared to all that's really going on.
Really Bernie's Healthcare Plan - Full on single payer doesn't bother me. I'd be OK with it and as I've said before I believe its an eventuality. But many people just don't trust the government to do anything right or that they have the people's interest in mind one bit anymore , not since Citizens United - Trust is gone. We've become a literal corporatocracy in the years since and this is part of why we don't have that public option - insurance , big pharma , hospital groups all fighting against this because their profits all go down the sh!tter when they cant suck the blood directly from the vein but the bottom line is about trusting the government to do anything right or for the right reasons. To make it viable en-mass the government has to offer a public option and prove the quality of care remains. What bothers me about Bernie is the other $90T in spending.
Great post. It’s hard to believe anything can be done sometimes. People live their day to day lives and think we all just have to accept things as is. I simply want less military and war. And to see less people living in tents under the highway when I pass by. And if we are as a country incapable of doing that and having people like the Waltons and Bezos have a little less money. Maybe I’m the naive one.
If that's what you want then the Walton's and Bezos aren't the enemy. Say it with me - Corporatocracy.
