1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Predict how much our defense improves without Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hakeem94, Jan 3, 2018.

?

Playing without Harden our defense will allow how much less points per game?

Poll closed Jan 5, 2018.

  1. 20 points less

    7 vote(s)
    9.6%

  2. 15 points less

    8 vote(s)
    11.0%

  3. 10 points less

    21 vote(s)
    28.8%

  4. 5 points less

    19 vote(s)
    26.0%

  5. Without Beard we will be worse off on defense, myth of him as defensive liability will be no more

    14 vote(s)
    19.2%

  6. 0 points less - it will stay the same

    13 vote(s)
    17.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
Page 1 of 10
  1. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    If any.
    Don't forget to vote.
    And please discuss.

    ps damn i forgot how to edit the title
    ps 2 i remembered!
     
    #1 hakeem94, Jan 3, 2018
    brewer's goat likes this.
  2. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,476
    Likes Received:
    28,961
    Another ID?

    Rocket River
     
    #2 Rocket River, Jan 3, 2018
  3. Sidarma

    Sidarma Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    1,945
    Likes Received:
    1,141


    Yes yes op I know what you thinking o_O;):D
     
    #3 Sidarma, Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 and cheke64 like this.
  4. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,554
    Likes Received:
    43,130
    I won't say Calm down but we should relax a wee , we had a very good first 30 somewhat games.

    Now the schedule got harder, players get injured, inconsistencies crept up.
     
    #4 daywalker02, Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 likes this.
  5. farhen

    farhen Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    2,012
    Likes Received:
    1,342
    smh.. just another james harden hate thread :cool:
     
    #5 farhen, Jan 3, 2018
    CK Johnson, BHannes2BHonest, BigShasta and 1 other person like this.
  6. Beardaholic13

    Beardaholic13 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2014
    Messages:
    1,348
    Likes Received:
    872
    We were the number 3 defense with harden this year( before luc, capela,CP got hurt)...what are these stupid freakin pointless threads.
     
    #6 Beardaholic13, Jan 3, 2018
    34to11 likes this.
  7. Patience

    Patience Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2002
    Messages:
    7,685
    Likes Received:
    9,336
    Is points per game really a valid defensive metric? Shouldn’t you at least use Points per possession or something that takes pace into account?
     
    #7 Patience, Jan 3, 2018
    34to11, hakeem94, MorningZippo and 1 other person like this.
  8. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    23,652
    Likes Received:
    15,027
    +10000

    we fight as a single impenetrable unit. That is the source of our defense. A single weak spot and the phalanx shatters.
     
    #8 cheke64, Jan 3, 2018
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 likes this.
  9. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2016
    Messages:
    30,803
    Likes Received:
    41,420
    yeah you're right
    thanks for the input
     
    #9 hakeem94, Jan 3, 2018
  10. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2002
    Messages:
    46,550
    Likes Received:
    6,131
    Cleaningtheglass.com says 8.2 points, but they take out garbage time and it isn't adjusted for starters vs bench
     
    #10 Mr. Clutch, Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 likes this.
  11. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,476
    Likes Received:
    28,961
    [​IMG]

    Rocket River
     
    #11 Rocket River, Jan 3, 2018
    BigShasta likes this.
  12. rockets13champs

    rockets13champs Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2012
    Messages:
    9,034
    Likes Received:
    8,496
    Smh... vs lakers Harden was making game saving defensive plays to try to send it to OT.

    Guys like EG, Ryno are th worst defenders in the team
     
    #12 rockets13champs, Jan 3, 2018
    34to11, BigShasta, hakeem94 and 1 other person like this.
  13. rocketseagles07

    rocketseagles07 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,941
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    Lol saying EG is a worse defender than harden is wild. What about all the off the ball mistakes harden makes? On ball he's always been fine on the initial drive... but sometimes he'll just let he guy walk by. In transition and off the ball d he's below average. My favorite is when he just lets the guy go by him in transition and tries to steal the ball from behind.

    Anyways the defense will easily be better without him, problem is he is so good offensively it still won't even out
     
    #13 rocketseagles07, Jan 3, 2018
    Louka, hakeem94, Vivi and 1 other person like this.
  14. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,476
    Likes Received:
    28,961
    Honestly. . . . . I always took that to be avoiding cheap fouls
    Rarely does one get a clean block or strip on a breakaway / fastbreak

    Rocket River
     
    #14 Rocket River, Jan 3, 2018
    DonKnock, skroodup25 and hakeem94 like this.
  15. rocketseagles07

    rocketseagles07 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,941
    Likes Received:
    1,286
    When it's a 1 on 1 situation yea... avoid the foul you're most likely not gonna stop him. But when you have multiple teammates behind you actually trying to defend helps a lot.

    Have you seen Chris Paul play transition defense? Night and day difference. I love harden, favorite player in the league by far but I think it's either he gets too much hate or he can do wrong...
     
    #15 rocketseagles07, Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 likes this.
  16. MorningZippo

    MorningZippo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    3,245
    Likes Received:
    2,514
    Agreed on the last part. CP3 has historically been one of the better defensive guards in transition. Might not be an apt comparison.
     
    #16 MorningZippo, Jan 3, 2018
    rocketseagles07 likes this.
  17. Red Nation RGV

    Red Nation RGV Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2017
    Messages:
    150
    Likes Received:
    202
    I say between 5 and 10 points less not because Harden is so bad at defense but simply because our own points per game will dip and we will prob slow it down just a smidgen.

    *Smidgen is an exact basketball reference lol
     
    #17 Red Nation RGV, Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 and fattz like this.
  18. The Greyhound 33

    The Greyhound 33 Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2017
    Messages:
    286
    Likes Received:
    491
    Harden’s ability to intercept passes will be missed, but we should have better off the ball defense now.
     
    #18 The Greyhound 33, Jan 3, 2018
    hakeem94 likes this.
  19. rockets13champs

    rockets13champs Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2012
    Messages:
    9,034
    Likes Received:
    8,496
    the most dangerous play in basketball is stopping a player going full speed for a dunk. It will either cause the defender an injury or the player on offense to be injured. I would rather you give the 2 pts to the offensive player than u use energy to stop the player and get fouled and get hurt yourself. in todays NBA 3>2 if u can score 3 by pushing ball right back out on offense that will diffuse the effect of the fastbreak 2
     
    #19 rockets13champs, Jan 3, 2018
  20. fattz

    fattz Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    5,373
    Likes Received:
    5,096
    The pace of the game is going to slow down => the shot attempts will be less => the points scored will drop for the other team and us.
     
    #20 fattz, Jan 3, 2018
    Red Nation RGV likes this.
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 10

Share This Page

Toggle Width
Style
ClutchFans Original

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Rockets Content

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now