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People in Mainland China ... We good now?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sheb, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Aleron

    Aleron Contributing Member

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    Apolitical is best, don't involve themselves at all in political matters, especially foreign relations is how it should be. But this small step into the fray does exemplify why that should be, corporations don't espouse any idea that comes from any principal apart from $$$. In a way I'm glad though, as now very few will see anything the nba does as being legitimate social concern, so eyes are now opened to the truth.
     
  2. PeterKingX

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    have the RIGHT to free speech?

    Yeah everyone can say what they want!
    But they have to be responsible for what they said. We all know what had happened Donald Sterling for his racist remarks. In China sovereignty is as important as racist issue in USA, even more. This decided by Chinese history and culture, totally different from yours. You can’t understand that only from pieces of Chinese news. It’s not that simple!
     
  3. apollo33

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    please, Americans only knows how to virtual signal on the internet.

    Depending on who's rioting, the other side will call them terrorists and complain about the police and probably say something subtly racist on forums. See. Ferguson protests, Baltimore protest, Charlotte incident when someone got ran over.
     
  4. D-rock

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    I appreciate your ability to discuss without demanding Morey be fired or comparing his tweet to racism.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    Daang... it's like that?
     
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  7. D-rock

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    Not really true. Anyone who has made a death threat against president will be placed on a list shared by various agencies and that person will be investigated/monitored for years.

    Not necessarily imprisoned but closely watched.
     
  8. Spacemoth

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    To any posters saying that Daryl Morey has got to go because of his comments on China, we have a problem.

    Get off Clutchfans, cancel your Rockets fandom, and never come back here. You obviously don't care about the welfare of our team, so why are you trolling a Rockets fansite.

    China will blink on this one first. There is a Lebron Kyrie game coming up, and they are not prepared to cancel that one. Revenue that goes towards the NBA's viewership, revenue that has already been negotiated out, will be going to the Rockets just as it will be the other 29 teams. They profit just as much as the NBA does from this union. Chinese trollfarms espousing their leader's legendarily thinnest of skins will die off as soon as the next target of their ire appears.
     
  9. jayland

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    Guess China wants either Morey fired or Morey to come out and say he was wrong and to denounce the HK protestors at rioters and terrorists like the state media has been doing.
     
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  10. JayGoogle

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    Yep, their message is sent but that's not enough. They had Harden come out and apologized for Morey and the team, you'd think that would be enough, but the problem is the NBA is already cowering before them so why not see how far they can take it?

    This isn't really about Morey anyway, this is about sending the message to other people in the NBA and other companies that they will kiss the ring if they hope to make money from China.

    I still say within the first month of the NBA season the bans will be lifted as long as no one else says anything else about it then they will see that the message has been sent and both the NBA and CBA will act like nothing at all happened.
     
  11. dlite316

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    The reason the extradition bill started was a Hongkong couple travelled to Taiwan, during their stay a fight between the couple started and the girl was murdered. The murder guy went back to HongKong and there is a loophole in local law: since the crime was not committed in HongKong the murderer cannot be prosecuted.
    Well the loophole makes HongKong criminals' Haven because you can commit any crime and escape to HongKong.
    Mainland China sure wants this loophole closed because many criminals from mainland are in HongKong to avoid prosecution.
     
  12. Senator

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    Then why is 99% of HK so adamantly against it? This appears to be an excuse used by mainland China, ie, the threat of extreme crime, for far greater control and surveillance. This has absolutely NOTHIGN to do with sovereignty like Joe Tsai and the other puppets make it out to be.

    Kind of like Trump pretending every illegal is a violent criminal (even though I am against all forms of illegal immigration, we know that's far from the truth and used to play with people's emotions). The people of HK are not dumb.
     
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    The truth is always the golden middle ground. Maybe the HKers should think about it hard and prosecute those criminals on their own.

    If that is true, HK should strenghen their legal system as well.

    Couldn't it be that they relied heavily on the British legal system and once that was gone, they didn't update it well enough for today and they weren't really into the Chinese legal system which is flawed as well?
     
  14. BackNthDay

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    Did something??? They might as well did nothing. That wasn't justice! However, we do live in America and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
     
  15. hezhenxiangx

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    China has no legal system.the CCP can modify every law if they like. include constitution.
    Xi modify chinese constitution this year, which set state chairman term 2 times mostly.so he can rule china until he die
     
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    What a firestorm! This has been a fascinating read.
     
  17. ClutchCity3

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    lmao stop spreading lies about there is no legal system in China.
     
  18. intergalactic

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    The effectiveness of the legal system is not the issue -- that's a Chinese talking point. HKers don't like the extradition b/c it is part of a broader change that they worry about intensely, which is that they have no recourse if the Chinese government decides to extradite and disappear anyone they want. China already does a lot of this in the mainland and does it on rare occasions in HK, though of course they are not the only government that acts this way.

    The core dynamic in HK is that the people there want to live by the rule of law, whereas Beijing sees HK as too western and wants it to follow the Chinese system. The reason the HKers are so adamant about this is that they can see that their economic prosperity and way of life will be (and already is being) destroyed by being engulfed within the Chinese system. This is a battle of ideologies and the most likely outcome is that China will try to starve out or just break HK. Mass extradition and disappearing of political malcontents is extremely likely. That's not a dig specifically on China -- it's what all authoritarian governments do.
     
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    Honestly, I really don't care too much about Hong Kong, or the concentration camps or any of China's civil liberty issues. I certainly don't like or agree with them, but I wasn't losing any sleep over it. I would have preferred Morey keep quiet and maintained the status quo, but it's out there now.

    China is now using it's economic influence to silence any critics abroad. Unlike China's domestic situation, I take great, great offense to that. If they can make an entity as powerful as the NBA bend to their will, what kind of slippery slope is freedom of speech heading towards. China can just keep upping the ante on what kind of stunts they pull.
     
  20. Fansince80

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    You people in China have never lived in freedom so you are simply programmed with accepting the fact that you are less than the people who subjugate you, your apparent masters. You simply don't know anything beyond being second class citizens with less rights than the few who decide your own life choices or destiny. If you were to even express these thoughts you would be thrown in jail, tortured or be dissapeared instantly.

    I don't mention all of this in order to insult Chinese people. I say it because I am truly sad for your condition. You all have been succesfuly programmed into accepting slave like human right conditions. Terrible.
     

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