Our limited guard & overall rotation

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by vlaurelio, Dec 12, 2017.

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What do you think of our limited guard & overall rotation?

  1. We are at a disadvantage it's on Morey to make minor moves on the roster

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  2. We are at a disadvantage it's on MDA to develop and trust the guys in his roster

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  3. We are at a disadvantage it's on both Morey and MDA to resolve this

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  4. We are not a disadvantage the players just have to play better, harder, and smarter

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  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    We have a 3 guard and overall 8-9 player rotation

    while everyone else especially the top 5 teams of the league have a 4-5 guard and overall 10-13 player rotation

    And with the age of our starting lineup I feel like we're at a disadvantage night in and night out as the season gets deeper and especially in the playoffs
     
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  2. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    I think we’ll add another guard at some point. We should.
     
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  3. YOLO

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    rockets have a 9 man rotation. i dont see the disadvantage. thats right about where a deep team should be when you can rely on that many guys on a nightly basis
     
  4. Alvin Choo

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    Bout the 3 guards. Thats what happen when all 3 guards are really good and all warrant big minutes.

    And good teams playing with 10-13 rotations? Check again, very likey the 10th player onwards played like 3 minutes and less. That happens when its a blow out.
     
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  5. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    @YOLO

    lets not pretend others only have a 3 guard and overall 8-9 man rotation like us. that's what sets the Kerrs, Pops, and Lebron teams from the MDAs

    if you guys are okay with that then fine but don't twist the facts

    * mintes played per game is the 4th metric after the player's name

    GSW has at least 13 players playing non garbage minutes, Spurs 11, Boston 10, Cavs 10 without IT amd injured TThompson, Raptors 12

    GSW

    Rk Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% Effective Field Goal Percentage
    1 Kevin Durant 29 23 23 34.5
    2 Klay Thompson 27 28 28 33.5
    3 Stephen Curry 29 23 23 32.6
    4 Draymond Green 27 25 25 32.2
    5 Andre Iguodala 34 24 1 26.5
    6 Shaun Livingston 32 25 3 15.9
    7 Omri Casspi 29 24 5 14.7
    8 Zaza Pachulia 33 25 25 14.4
    9 Patrick McCaw 22 24 1 13.4
    10 Nick Young 32 27 0 13.1
    11 David West 37 26 0 12.5
    12 Jordan Bell 23 22 3 11.3
    13 Quinn Cook 24 6 1 11.2
    14 Kevon Looney 21 21 0 9.8
    15 JaVale McGee 30 24 2 8.0

    Spurs

    1 LaMarcus Aldridge 32 26 26 33.4
    2 Danny Green 30 25 25 28.4
    3 Kyle Anderson 24 23 23 27.4
    4 Patty Mills 29 27 12 25.5
    5 Pau Gasol 37 26 26 25.3
    6 Rudy Gay 31 25 4 23.5
    7 Manu Ginobili 40 22 0 21.0
    8 Dejounte Murray 21 27 9 18.4
    9 Bryn Forbes 24 27 2 18.0
    10 Tony Parker 35 6 6 17.8
    11 Brandon Paul 26 27 2 12.0
    12 Joffrey Lauvergne 26 13 0 11.3

    Boston

    1 Al Horford 31 27 27 32.7
    2 Kyrie Irving 25 27 27 32.0
    3 Jaylen Brown 21 27 27 31.3
    4 Jayson Tatum 19 29 29 30.6
    5 Marcus Smart 23 27 5 30.3
    6 Marcus Morris 28 16 9 24.2
    7 Terry Rozier 23 29 0 23.5
    8 Aron Baynes 31 29 18 17.7
    9 Semi Ojeleye 23 28 0 13.9
    10 Daniel Theis 25 27 2 12.4
    11 Shane Larkin 25 20 0 10.4

    Cavs without IT

    1 LeBron James 33 27 27 37.3
    2 J.R. Smith 32 27 24 30.8
    3 Kevin Love 29 26 26 29.2
    4 Derrick Rose 29 7 7 26.9
    5 Jae Crowder 27 27 24 25.8
    6 Dwyane Wade 36 26 3 23.7
    7 Kyle Korver 36 27 0 22.5
    8 Jeff Green 31 27 0 21.7
    9 Tristan Thompson 26 8 5 21.6
    10 Iman Shumpert 27 13 6 20.8
    11 Jose Calderon 36 18 12 15.6
    12 Channing Frye 34 25 0 12.9
     
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  6. D-rock

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    Yep.

    Not at a disadvantage, all that other stuff is trivial. This guard rotation is just fine. 4th guard is luxury and would get very limited playing time anyway barring injury.

    Would love to replace BB but why F with this winning chemistry, besides who's good, a fit and available right now without giving up ANY player in our 9 man rotation?
     
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    Rockets have a 9-man rotation: 3 guards, 2 centers, 4 forwards/swing players. I agree they could use another guard as Harden/CP3/EG are 1-2-3 in minutes played. But for now, D'Antoni has no choice because none of the other guards are rotation-worthy and those are the Rockets 3 best players..

    Also, none of the good teams has a 13-man rotation besides the Warriors, who are crazy deep.
     
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  9. YOLO

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    honestly when you get after 9 alot of these teams thats just reaching. none of those guys are someone being counted on on a nightly basis. they play bc they're forced to when primary guys are out or injured. if guys like harden, cp3, gordon were out youd see the exact same thing. is that what yall want for them to miss more games
     
  10. vlaurelio

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    isn't that what I said? 10-13? meaning at least 10 max of 13
     
  11. Drogba

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    Golden State (15 man rotation lmao), Cleveland, Boston, San Antonio?

    We obviously need more depth because we saw what an 8 man rotation looks like in the Playoffs last season.
     
  12. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    then name atleast 6 players here whom you are sure are not better than and you will never play over Tariq Black and Bobby Brown

    1 Kevin Durant 29 23 23 34.5
    2 Klay Thompson 27 28 28 33.5
    3 Stephen Curry 29 23 23 32.6
    4 Draymond Green 27 25 25 32.2
    5 Andre Iguodala 34 24 1 26.5
    6 Shaun Livingston 32 25 3 15.9
    7 Omri Casspi 29 24 5 14.7
    8 Zaza Pachulia 33 25 25 14.4
    9 Patrick McCaw 22 24 1 13.4
    10 Nick Young 32 27 0 13.1
    11 David West 37 26 0 12.5
    12 Jordan Bell 23 22 3 11.3
    13 Quinn Cook 24 6 1 11.2
    14 Kevon Looney 21 21 0 9.8
    15 JaVale McGee 30 24 2 8.0
     
  13. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    then name atleast 6 players here whom you are sure are not better than and you will never play over Tariq Black and Bobby Brown

    1 Kevin Durant 29 23 23 34.5
    2 Klay Thompson 27 28 28 33.5
    3 Stephen Curry 29 23 23 32.6
    4 Draymond Green 27 25 25 32.2
    5 Andre Iguodala 34 24 1 26.5
    6 Shaun Livingston 32 25 3 15.9
    7 Omri Casspi 29 24 5 14.7
    8 Zaza Pachulia 33 25 25 14.4
    9 Patrick McCaw 22 24 1 13.4
    10 Nick Young 32 27 0 13.1
    11 David West 37 26 0 12.5
    12 Jordan Bell 23 22 3 11.3
    13 Quinn Cook 24 6 1 11.2
    14 Kevon Looney 21 21 0 9.8
    15 JaVale McGee 30 24 2 8.0
     
  14. YOLO

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    you're taking a GS team as an example throughout the league. theres not a single team in the league that can match up with their depth. they have 4 all nba players in their starting lineup. try matching up with that first before getting all worried about who the 10,11, 12, 13 man on the team is
     
  15. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    so you basically admit that yes they are 15 playoff ready deep. as compared to us 8 playoff deep.. so do you think we have a chance against them in a 7 game series after 96 straight games?
     
  16. YOLO

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    and they wont be playing that many guys so doesnt really matter to me. when you play with 4 all stars/ all nba/ and mutiple mvp players, you have the luxury of plugging in plenty of guys to do a little things for them. No other team in the league has that luxury.

    the rockets are definitely 9 deep in the playoffs atleast.
     
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    OK OK. I also just noticed Ariza is actually 2nd in MPG at 34. That is too high.

    There are some issues to address.
     
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  18. ElPigto

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    I'd say we are 10 deep, others are unreliable after that. Id trust Tariq in a back up situation if Nene went out like last year. My only wish is that we would replace Bobby for a more useful end of the bench guy, but it is what it is.
     
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  19. vlaurelio

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    how may meaningful minutes at least are you sure black can provide in the playoffs?

    and you sure nene and black can play meaningful minutes every single playoff game?
     
  20. YOLO

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    yup. im very much comfortable with those 3 and take into account a huge portion of the game will be played with small ball w/o any of those 3. thats the difference with this years rotation bc they are so much more versatile and what makes them that much better defensively with our additions
     
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