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OK so what was the point of the Iman Shumpert trade again

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Stepback3GOOD, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. sealclubber1016

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    Gerald Green isn't doing anything he hasn't done his entire career offensively, he can make some 3's and still jump through the roof.

    Yet he's changed teams 11 times (3 more times overseas) and has accepted the league minimum most of his career. He's a streaky shooter who can get hot and a defensive train wreck and everybody knows it. By merely being OK House is a huge upgrade defensively and that's where this teams actual issues are this season.
     
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  2. chenjy9

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    I remember certain posters mocking me for saying that Gerald Green was a poor defender who gets by on hustle because they were blinded by a few hustle plays and chase down blocks. That said, I also stated that if he could consistently finish around the rim he would be a star... or if he had a better head on him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  3. saleem

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    GG, Shumpert and House would have to work for minutes, but they all complement each other.
     
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    That's because you were wrong. The truth is:

    Gerald Green is a poor defender who doesn't get by on hustle.

    If he didn't have those awesome 3-pt barages occasionally, he'd still be on that couch.
     
  5. sirbaihu

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    It's very ironic that you want to compare Green's career accomplishments to House's.
     
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    Changing teams isn't really any better than being cut from 2 teams, at least Green has proven to be an NBA player he has stuck around for a long time House couldnt even stay in a team for more than 1 year so I don't understand what you are trying to do by bringing their past history up.

    House is a massive upgrade defensively? Based on what, your biased eye test? FYI if you actually look at stats Gerald Green actually has better defensive win shares than House but you wouldn't know that would you? You see a couple of botched defensive plays suddenly Green is the worst defender ever in your mind.

    Newflash Rox's offense is heavily dependent on 3s, so while Green has been "shooting 3s and jumping through the roof" his entire career that makes him extremely valuable to this team.

    You really think we would have won this game if Green didnt score 19 pts? You really think nows the time to **** on him when he has been balling out of his mind? Gimme a break dude. Give Green some respect.
     
  7. harold bingo

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    Win shares are a cumulative stat, and Green has played twice as many minutes, so that's not really fair to compare. If anything this hurts your argument because House has higher defensive win shares per minute.
     
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    House played 28 mins a game Green plays 21 mins a game what are you talking about?

    I'm not seeing the "massive defensive difference" you guys are seeing and even if that was the case so what? We got Iman Shumpert as a better version of House he is much better defensively than House so if you want consistent D then Iman is the guy. GG is more valuable as a 3rd bench dude because when he is hot he shoots like a star. If he is not then you bench him and play Iman 36 mins no harm no foul.

    OTH House is gonna bellyache for getting no mins and sitting on the bench he is gonna say he earned everything he gets and he wants mins to make $$$ next season. He might even get in Harden's head and cause a distraction we don't really know whats up with that.
     
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    For the record I'm not arguing either way on the Shump vs House debate here, I'm just explaining how this stat works.

    When I say it's a cumulative stat, it's like "total points scored" rather than points per game. To give an example, if player A has 50 games at 10ppg, and player B has 20 games at 15ppg, player A has 500 points and player B has 300 points. But you wouldn't say that player A scores more, and you wouldn't bring up 500 points vs 300 points. Defensive win shares work the same way, they accumulate throughout the season, for every minute you play. Gerald Green has played 1100 minutes, House has only played 600, so that's why he's going to have more total win shares, because it's a counting stat. If you look at which player gets more defensive win shares per game, or defensive win shares per minute, it's House.
     
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    He does get by on hustle. If he didn't hustle, he would be an atrocious defender instead of just a poor one. Currently, he is able to SOMETIMES keep in front of his man through pure hustle and athleticism.
     
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    Green has found a perfect marriage here in Houston, and he plays his role perfectly.

    Im case anyone forgot, he gave us some fantastic minutes in last years title run, on a minimum contract. He is Mike D’Antoni’s Eddie House, but better.

    He is capable of playing minutes on the best defensive team the NBA has seen in years, which is exactly what we saw last year.
     
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    WE need HOUSE Back NOW!!! I cant stand watching this guy play.
     
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    Rivers isn't as good of a defender as Shumpert
     
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    People having a cry when we are not fully healthy................very funny
     
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    You've heard of the Red Rowdies? This is the Red Emos here on CF.
     
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    they're the ones that lurk in hiding and then spam the game threads that end up being close or losses. That's why those game threads are an extra +20 pages, while the wins are usual posters who keep up on a consistent basis. it's just extra quiet during wins. how ironic
     
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  17. Deuce

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    What is the point of Shumpert? ........

     
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    What a sample size!
     
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    oh boy if it was the other way around, the world could be ending on cf's
     
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  20. Easy

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    CF likes to pop one Rocket player against another. Why can't we look at both their strengths and weaknesses and see how they might contribute to the team?

    Defense
    Shumpert >> House > Green

    Shooting
    Green > House > Shumpert

    We do need to upgrade both on defense and on shooting. Given our propensity for injuries, we need more playable players to ease the load of Harden and Paul.
     
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