[OFFICIAL] Potential Dem brokered covention thread

He wants to win.

He comes across as rigid / principle / ideologue but his bottom line is to win election and I think he's more flexible than what people think of him.

You can look back at his position on gun immunity as an example. He voted against legislation that strip legal immunity from gun manufacturers and stuck with that until late in the 2016 primary where he said he would support a similar legislation (but he phrased that he would do so without "negatively impacting small gun stores in rural American that serve the hunting community").

 

Considering that Bernie just spent his first media Monday as plurality front-runner arguing about Fidel ****ing Castro, seemingly reading right off the RNC talking points, let's just go straight to brokered convention.

Signed, jaded centrist Dem establishment who can't win

 

I'd rather suffer a zombie apocalypse than have ACO anywhere near the white house .

 

If Bernie were to win then he and AOC are basically like two peas in a pod as far as policy goes so either would be much worse than a zombie apocalypse. It is a good thing Bernie has zero chance come November.

 

Tammy Duckworth is another interesting name as well. Kind of shoots down the whole anti-American anti-military propaganda effort you know that'll be the main event coming from Trump media. Tammy lost her legs fighting for this country while Trump had the wealth to buy his way out of war with Bone Spurs. It shoots down the anti-American/anti-military label while also playing into Bernie's core message of a separate set of rules for the rich.

 

From your post to God's ears...

Honestly though, Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg being in the race after SC is pure arrogance.

 

Man I held onto this with Trump and look where we ended up.

 

The fear of being attacked back by both real and fake supporters is powerful. There is also the fear of losing the real supporters if you go too hard.

CANCELED BECAUSE OF A VIDEO YOU DIDN’T EVEN MAKE”: INSIDE A BERNIE-BIDEN TROLL WAR

 

A difference is that Sanders is basically doing about the same as he did in 2016, it's just his opposition is a lot more fractured. Maybe a slight improvement in some areas.

Trump, meanwhile, took the nativist/idiot/Russian whatever vote primed from years of conditioning and was able to build on it. Michelle Bachman/ Ron Paul wasn't really a factor in 2012. More republicans careened into that void by 2016.

 

When Trump was running and the field was large, the polls showed that if the field consolidated to Rubio, Cruz, etc. that they would beat Trump 1 v 1. Whether that would have held up is another story.

In the Bernie situation the polls show that if it narrowed to Bernie v Biden that Bernie would win.

Again, it's an inexact science because it's polling a hypothetical, but the point is still valid.

 

I agree on Amy. Warren, Steyer, Tulsi as well.

However, Pete's a bit different. I think Biden has a chance to win the deep south next week, but he has less money/volunteeers/resources than either Pete or Bloomberg. He hasn't even started advertising in Super Tuesday states, so I think he may struggle in a lot of places. If the Bloomberg bubble pops, Pete has a chance to do well in the west and midwest next week. If he can even make mild progress with AA voters this weekend and finish a solid 3rd in SC, I think he has a good case to stay in. And he has probably been the most effective with his message about why Sanders is a bad choice.

I think whoever is third from the Biden/Bloomberg/Pete trio next week probably should drop out, but I'm not sure Pete will be that person, but that may be my biases talking. I did vote for Biden in Texas because I think he has the best shot to beat Sanders here, though I like Pete more.

 

Sure that's what Polls showed - but at the end of the day, there wasn't a lot of difference between what rank and file Republicans believed and were willing to accept and Trumpism, as is obvious now. He just said the quiet parts that Ruibo et al implied out loud.

I don't think it's clear yet that it's the same with Sandersism.

 

It's not necessarily arrogance. They are playing to the crappy rules the DNC came up with (which, by the way, were not Sanders' idea as some here have falsely stated).

There's about a 10 point spread nationally between Biden, Bloomberg, Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar. That's a very narrow window and conceivably any one of them could lay claim to the title of "King of the Not-Bernies" if they make it to the convention.

If the DNC had simply gotten rid of the Super Delegates outright (as Sanders wanted) then this wouldn't be happening. Instead we have an amorphous blob of candidates who have no incentive to drop out because the Super Delegates could reasonably Knight any one of them.

 

What crappy rules are you talking about that were not Sanders idea?

 

Meh...

“Crappy rules” “superdelegates”

these are Bernie talking points to complain about being screwed.

Any convention system will have some sort of second ballot system and Bernie would be complaining about any of them you could come up with now that he’s the leader. When he was second place he wanted a system that would let him contest at the convention when he’s in first place it isn’t fair

 

This has nothing to do with superdelegates. Even if you didn't have them, the same situation would exist.

 

AOC is much worse. Bernie hates the ultra rich. I am not sure why as after your first few million, you're better off than the vast majority in the world. The only real difference between someone with a few million and a billionaire is the number of houses, aircraft and the size of the yacht. Bernie has been in office most of his life and has only amassed a couple million. This is not a guy I would want running the country. With the kind of influence Bernie has, he should have been able to make much more than that w/out it being a conflict of interest.

AOC on the other hand ... her philosophy basically amounts to all commoners should be equally miserable. She represents the socialism everyone hates.

 

I don't really see that as being flexible.

He could not get away with that answer in 20/20.

 

Yeah, what the everloving fark was that crap? Makes me think he has no clue how to run in a general election, at all. But that was downright delusional as a strategy for anything but losing to Trump.

 

Candidates stay in longer because of the odds of a brokered convention, which is also caused by so many staying in.

If Bernie wins substantially, it would be a disaster to screw him out of the nomination, especially given the criticism about their support of Hillary over him in 2016. If Bernie had won in 2016, there wouldn't have been a Trump Presidency to begin with.