1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Patriots @ Texans

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. Roc Paint

    Roc Paint Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    22,329
    Likes Received:
    12,438
    Just came in here today to say that Bill Belichick is a giant douche bag
     
    Chilly_Pete, TejasTom and csj like this.
  2. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,143
    Likes Received:
    4,772
    I've proclaimed indifference to margin of victory?... His sample size is large enough for it to carry weight: 34 games and he's lost by more than 8 points exactly once - that means he/the Texans are in almost very game they play - and they're winning the vast majority of them. But people wanna be mad about a single game because it was played in January and not, like, October...

    I never claimed the Texans were worse... but if everyone is going to quickly dismiss a playoff victory with YEAH BUTs because of the quality of the opposing QB, they should be intellectually honest about it. Winning a playoff game with Brock Osweiler as your QB is not worthy of being casually dismissed because he was an objectively bad QB, regardless of the number of starts he had previously compiled.

    Kubiak and Denver chose a broken-down Manning over a healthy Osweiler because they knew...
     
  3. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    35,962
    Likes Received:
    22,343
    BIG BEAUTIFUL ratings?
    A source close to me has revealed, 22 million people watched Deshaun slice the Patriots like a Jalapeeeno.
    That's the most viewed SNF week 13 game in 9 years.
     
  4. red5rocket

    red5rocket Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    9,432
    Likes Received:
    11,879
    Houstunna, TejasTom and Rudyc281 like this.
  5. Colt45

    Colt45 Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2000
    Messages:
    2,844
    Likes Received:
    2,409
  6. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    32,661
    Likes Received:
    23,335
    Sí.. You dismissed blowouts having any value not too long ago. Texans were catching the bad end of that particular situation, so, of course you dismissed it.

    It's very interesting you now proclaim MOV having value. Well, not really, since it now helps your point.

    Anyone saying Watson sucks because of the bad playoff performance is misguided.

    I was highly disappointed but Watson shows major promise.

    Brock was pretty bad.. but he is Brady compared to Cook.

    Do you realize said playoff game was his final game? His one and only season? He hasn't sniffed a roster since. Brock had years of experience with plenty starts (at least relatively), and played @ home.

    O'Brien is showing some promise so I will say that. Texans have won some big games this season. Martin playing well vs NE gives the Clowney debacle more promise. Still think we should be better. I wouldn't have minded an loss @ BAL, but that was embarrassing. The ending vs Patriots left a bad taste. FWIW, these Texans are the best Texans team, so there's hope.
     
  7. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,143
    Likes Received:
    4,772
    Show me. I have no recollection but am now curious, especially when you consider they've suffered exactly one blowout the past two years - why were we even talking about it?

    Without the context, I will offer that *A* blowout doesn't have any significant meaning. I don't, for instance, think the Ravens are 34 points better than the Texans. But if they played 28 times and the average MOV of victory was 34.... yeah, that would obviously carry significnce.

    No he's not. He posted a sub-50 QB rating the very next week (against Brady). Seven of his 14 starts that year were sub-70, including 4 that were sub-60. He was a terrible QB. No one needs to throw anyone a parade but to outright dismiss the victory because the opposing QB was bad - while flat-out ignoring how bad the Texans' QB was - is being intellectually dishonest.
     
  8. red5rocket

    red5rocket Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    9,432
    Likes Received:
    11,879
  9. Nimo

    Nimo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2012
    Messages:
    13,392
    Likes Received:
    7,056
    Fun fact. The overwhelming favorite for the MVP has as many of this award as Deshaun Watson
     
    Chilly_Pete likes this.
  10. eliefor3

    eliefor3 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2019
    Messages:
    3,212
    Likes Received:
    4,532
    To me, what doesn't get talked about enough is of those games that Texans lost by less than 8, how many games did Watson give the Texans a lead on their last offensive possession only to watch the defense give up a last second game winning drive. There were atleast 2 last year and ofcourse the saints this year
     
  11. TheRealist137

    TheRealist137 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    33,341
    Likes Received:
    19,176
    Still remember the days when people thought Watson was gonna be a bust and game manager at best. Lmao!
     
  12. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    32,661
    Likes Received:
    23,335
    I didn't bookmark the page, but the exact date doesn't matter. You downplayed MOV when it didn't benefit the Texans, and now that it does, you respect it.

    You're right though regarding Watson. We rarely get blownout now and are mostly the blower (one of the few times in life this is a good thing) and that's why he brings great hope. Previous to him, we mostly were the blowee and our overall success reflected such.... zero championships, zero SB appearances, zero CF appearances, and multiple pathetic playoff performances.
    Dishonesty is deleting my counter argument. 2016 was Cook's *one and only* NFL season. He made two starts total in his career. He was a rookie making his 2nd career start compared to Brock's making his 20th while being in his 5th season.

    Given those facts, Brock was Brady comparatively. Perhaps Brady is too strong a name, but the logic still exists that Conner was the clear underdog entering that game. Plus, Brock had home field. O'Brien deserves some credit for winning the game but it's only minimal.
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    84,998
    Likes Received:
    83,170
  14. likestohypeguy

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,725
    Likes Received:
    1,760
    Still riding this high.

    Getting a little bump tonight, NFL Network's replay.
     
    conquistador#11 likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now