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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

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  1. glynch

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    That's a lot of people.

     
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    "The Unaffordable Candidate":

    https://www.city-journal.org/bernie-sanders-expensive-spending-proposals

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    And so long as Sanders remains in the race, it’s worth taking his policy ideas seriously, since he has unveiled expensive new spending proposals on a near-weekly basis. All told, Sanders’s current plans would cost as much as $97.5 trillion over the next decade, and total government spending at all levels would surge to as high as 70 percent of gross domestic product. Approximately half of the American workforce would be employed by the government. The ten-year budget deficit would approach $90 trillion, with average annual deficits exceeding 30 percent of GDP.

    The $97.5 trillion price tag is made up mostly of the costs of Sanders’s three most ambitious proposals. Sanders concedes that his Medicare For All plan would increase federal spending by “somewhere between $30 and $40 trillion over a 10-year period.” He pledges to spend $16.3 trillion on his climate plan. And his proposal to guarantee all Americans a full-time government job paying $15 an hour, with full benefits, is estimated to cost $30.1 trillion. The final $11.1 trillion includes $3 trillion to forgive all student loans and guarantee free public-college tuition—plus $1.8 trillion to expand Social Security, $2.5 trillion on housing, $1.6 trillion on paid family leave, $1 trillion on infrastructure, $800 billion on general K-12 education spending, and an additional $400 billion on higher public school teacher salaries.

    This unprecedented outlay would more than double the size of the federal government. Over the next decade, Washington is already projected to spend $60 trillion, and state and local governments will spend another $29.7 trillion from non-federal sources. Adding Sanders’s $97.5 trillion—and then subtracting the $3 trillion saved by state governments under Medicare For All—would raise the total cost of government to $184 trillion, or 70 percent of the projected GDP over ten years

    Such spending would far exceed even that of European social democracies. The 35 OECD countries average 43 percent of GDP in total government spending. Finland’s 57 percent tops the list, edging France and Denmark. Meantime, Sweden and Norway—regularly lauded as models for the U.S.—spend just under 50 percent of GDP. The U.S. government, at all levels, spends between 34 percent and 38 percent of GDP, depending on how one calculates.

    Sanders’s agenda is virtually impossible to pay for. Adding $97.5 trillion in new spending to an underlying $15.5 trillion projected budget deficit (under current policies) creates a ten-year budget gap of $113 trillion. Yet Sanders’s tax proposals would raise at most $23 trillion over the decade.
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    Bernie says AOC will have a big role to play in a Sanders White House:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/san...oomberg-bid-shows-arrogance/story?id=66881233

    With an eye on 2020, Sanders pledged that his partnership with Ocasio-Cortez would continue should he win the presidency.

    "If I am in the White House," Sanders added, "she will play a very, very important role, no question, in one way or the other."

    Sanders was asked what type of role.

    "No hints," he said.​
     
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    Green new deal.
     
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    It's over let's go home.

     
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    The worse part is that during their hug he whispered: "Just the tip, I promise"
     
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    Feel the Bern.
     
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    As my wife says: "I guess he really needed that stent !"
     
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    John Cusack Slams MSNBC Over Bernie Sanders Coverage, Calls For Boycott Of Network

    Actor John Cusack recently tweeted a video montage of MSNBC hosts and commentators attacking Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, along with the hashtag “BoycottMSNBC,” Breitbart reports.

    At one point during the montage, MSNBC anchor Chris Matthews blasts Sanders for “just waving his arms around” while “talking about revolution.” Another clip shows MSNBC anchor and commentator Donny Deutsch suggesting that a socialist candidate is “more dangerous” to the United States than Donald Trump.

    Cusack is open about his support of Sanders and left-wing politics, and he’s not the only one that has noted MSNBC’s treatment of Sanders.

    Common Dreams suggested that the moderators at MSNBC’s presidential debate last week treated Sanders more like an outsider than a front-runner, tying the alleged treatment to the network’s purported “anti-Bernie slant.”

    “During the debate and in the spin room, Sanders was treated more like an outsider than a front runner. It’s part of a broader anti-Bernie slant in the ‘liberal’ network’s coverage,” the report reads.

    The report also noted that 40 minutes into the debate, Sanders was clocked by The New York Times as 4th from the bottom in terms of speaking time, with lower-polling candidates like Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, and Cory Booker all getting significantly more time at the same mark.

    Sanders was skipped on topics of unaffordable housing, white supremacist terrorism, and voting rights. He was also passed on the topic of racial justice in favor of Elizabeth Warren.

    Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) previously found MSNBC to be biased against Sanders via skewed polls and false claims about the Vermont Senator. For example, Meet the Press’ Chuck Todd showed a graphic that suggested Sanders decreased 5 points in a Quinnipiac poll when the candidate actually gained 5 points.

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    Good cite of the Cusack article for the majority on the bbs who probably think MSNBC is really liberal.
    I used to be a fan, but now I only occasionally do I flip through Chris Hayes to see if he deviates from the multi-year Russiagate obsession or now the wall to wall impeachment coverage.
     
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    How can you not love Bernie Sanders.
     
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    The media hating and blackballing Bernie is the reason he struggles to get in the lead and why Buttigieg is surging. Nobody has time to scour the internet for the truth.
     
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    You guys still here? Go home! it's over!

     
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    Obama apparently not a Bernie fan:

    Publicly, he has been clear that he won’t intervene in the primary for or against a candidate, unless he believed there was some egregious attack. “I can't even imagine with this field how bad it would have to be for him to say something,” said a close adviser. Instead, he sees his role as providing guardrails to keep the process from getting too ugly and to unite the party when the nominee is clear. There is one potential exception: Back when Sanders seemed like more of a threat than he does now, Obama said privately that if Bernie were running away with the nomination, Obama would speak up to stop him. (Asked about that, a spokesperson for Obama pointed out that Obama recently said he would support and campaign for whoever the Democratic nominee is.)​

    https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...-obama-2020-democrats-candidates-biden-073025
     

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