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[Official] Astros @ Tigers

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 13, 2019.

  1. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    You didn't even notice that the Astros do a lot more of the strikeout thingy than the Rockies. It's hard to make plays when they don't hit the ball.

    ETA: I had 5 minutes and did some math
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2019-ratio-pitching.shtml

    Astros have 27% Ks, and a 0.75 GB/FB ratio -- 31% GB and 42% FB
    Rockies have 21% Ks, and a 0.92 GB/FB ratio -- 38% GB and 41% FB

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2019-standard-pitching.shtml

    Applying the groundball % times the number of batters faced (1590 for COL and 1485 for HOU...) -- Colorado pitchers have created 604 groundballs vs. 460 for Houston (or a difference of ~150).

    The average SS makes ~29% of the assists for the team (Houston is basically right at average, and COL is slightly higher at 32%, also from baseball reference), and so if that holds, the Colorado shortstops have probably gotten about 50 more balls hit their way over the course of the season.

    Adjust for innings played and you close that gap really quick. This also doesn't account for shifting, which may also account for Bregman "vulturing" some of Correa's metrics.
     
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    Correa has played good SS, but he's not making as plays as a lot of guys (i.e., he's not great). On attempts, you don't get credit for plays you don't make. Story is making plays on 80% of balls hit to SS. Correa 70% (i.e., GB% and K% matter some). If Correa, Springer, Gurriel, and Bregman were as good as Astro fan eyeball tests said they are, Astros would probably be on pace to set MLB record in wins.
     
  4. Joe Joe

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    Btw. I love the using of stats to defend the eyeball test to suggests stats are wrong. Even if you are right in this situation, you are proving that stats are to be trusted as eye ball tests don't see every game.
     
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    This was my question earlier: how does this number up there account for shifts? Are those balls hit to SS hit to the SS position or are those balls hit to the SS no matter where he is playing or who is actually manning the "SS position" (ie the 3Bman, while the SS is somewhere on the 1B side of 2nd)? I don't know.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    Innings, GB% K%.

    Story is making nearly 70% more plays. He has an advantage in Ks, GB, innings played, but not close to account for difference.
     
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    Meh, this conversation like is the Jake for Gold Glove conversation. Jake is an outstanding CFer, but he's not the best. Carlos can play some outstanding SS but he's not the best.
     
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    Okay. Regardless, I'm more interested in my other question, and I'm happy that Correa is playing a very good SS this year.

    I'm gonna have a pregame beer and read about this AAA meatpuppet Detroit's running out to the mound tonight.

    eta: could be a fun one tonight. Carpenter loves the flyball and many of them do not stay in the park. Can't strike people out. Lots of slurvy breaking balls and a low 90 FB. Does have a kind of deceptive variable 3/4 delivery with his glove straight out front of his hand that looks like it could hide the ball some.

    Now that I've said this, he'll throw a QS and Correa will have 2 errors.
     
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    Carlos isn't even a top 5 shortstop in the league. He's overrated because of being the number 1 pick and all the ARod comparisons. Carlos has a high ceiling but he has only played a full season one time and this is his 4th full season.
     
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    On things fun, Miley has been amazing. Guys just can't square up on his cutter.
     
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    Great at bat by Springer

    The Astros as a team are locked in
     
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    Oh...and yet again Correa's HRs barely clear the fence.
     
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    that was pretty fun
     
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    Everytime wife leaves her seat...home run. A couple games ago, the fans around us were booing anytime she returned to her seat.
     
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    lol at Diaz playing pepper with the RF corner 330 feet away
     
  18. Roc Paint

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    As if that truly matters
     
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    ISeeYMI:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/official-astros-blue-jays.283922/page-41#post-11197514

    There's more before that, but I didn't go digging. Just a fun bbs joke.

    So you make her leave when the Stros are batting and let her come back when the other team is up?
     
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    Historic offense is historicing.
     
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