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  1. msn

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    The new Braves.
     
  2. Disciple of RP

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    Lucky phans are lucky....Wade helps build an empire: Chaaaampionshiiiip.....

    Wade leaves....teams goes crazy grabbing up marquee pitchers doing everything they can to be the (more sensible) Yankees of the NL.

    Hope those morAns know what they've got up there in that team. Wow.
     
  3. dial1revenge

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    Looks like our old friend Roy O's gonna be getting his much deserved ring next year. Will be fun to watch.
     
  4. Scolalist

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    they've got the best GM in baseball is what they've got.

    Both Halladay and Lee got extremely under valued contracts and the Phillies didn't have to over commit the amount of years (3 for Halladay, 5 for Lee) and sit through paying them 20 million to sit on the DL.

    They got Roy Oswalt for very little and got the Astros to eat almost all of his contract.
     
  5. MadMax

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    That's the best starting pitching staff on paper I've ever seen.
     
  6. Major

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    So how much better are the Phillies during the playoffs today than they were in October?

    They gained Lee, but they already had Halladay/Oswalt/Hamels pitching 6 out of 7 games in a series. But they lost a 0.900 OPS Jason Werth who plays all 7 games in the series. I'd argue they are better in the regular season, but I'm not sure they are that much improved in the playoffs. Now Lee pitches two games in the series - which is fantastic - but you're taking one game away from Oswalt or Hamels, which is only a minor upgrade (and one from Blanton, which is a definite upgrade).

    On a side note, it's amazing that Philly pulled this off. Halladay, Lee, and Howard are all making $20MM+. You'd think Utley, Rollins, Oswalt, Hamels, and Lidge are all averaging $12MM+ themselves. That would be at least $100MM right there for 8 players. They are running the team exactly as they should - pay for stars and fill in the rest on the cheap. Never overpay for generic free agents (ie, what the Astros are constantly paying for).
     
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    not as good as Drabek-Reynolds-Swindell
     
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    Houston Astros Top 11 Prospects

    Previous Rankings: 2010 | 2009 | 2008

    System In 20 Words Or Less: It's better than last year but only by baby steps for a system that remains in a deep, deep hole.

    Four-Star Prospects
    1. Jordan Lyles, RHP
    2. Delino DeShields Jr., 2B/OF
    Three-Star Prospects
    3. Mike Foltynewicz, RHP
    4. Ariel Ovando, OF
    5. Jonathan Villar, SS
    6. Jimmy Paredes, 2B
    7. Tannuer Bushue, RHP
    8. J.D. Martinez, OF
    Two-Star Prospects
    9. Mike Kvasnicka, 3B/OF/C
    10. Jiovanni Mier, SS
    11. Jose Altuve, 2B

    Nine More:
    12. Telvin Nash, 1B: This third-round pick from 2009 has some of the best raw power in the system, but can he hit?
    13. Jay Austin, OF: An intriguing center fielder, Austin has speed and power potential, but his bat lags behind.
    14. Austin Wates, OF: Wates is a contact-oriented hitter with speed and the potential to move up this list after his full-season debut.
    15. Aneury Rodriguez, RHP: This Rule 5 pick has a plus fastball and usable secondary offerings.
    16. Mark Melancon, RHP: The former Yankee reliever could earn a big-league job in spring training.
    17. J.B. Shuck, OF: He has real on-base ability, but his center field defense is fringy.
    18. Michael Feliz, RHP: This Dominican signee is highly projectable, but he already has a suspension for enhancing.
    19. Brian Bogusevic, OF: A converted outfielder and former pitcher, Bogusevic should have career as a fourth outfielder.
    20. Ross Seaton, RHP: His inability to miss bats led to a battering in the Cal League.

    1. Jordan Lyles, RHP
    DOB: 10/19/90
    Height/Weight: 6-4/185
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: Supplemental first round, 2008, Hartsville HS (SC)
    2010 Stats: 3.12 ERA (127.0-133-35-115) at Double-A (21 G); 5.40 ERA (31.2-48-11-22) at Triple-A (6 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Command/velocity

    Year in Review: The top pitching prospect in the system not only skipped a level but succeed in Double-A as a teenager.
    The Good: Lyles was arguably the most advanced teenage arm in baseball last year. Using a deep arsenal, he pounds the strike zone and uses all four quadrants effectively while constantly keeping hitters off-balance. His 89-91 mph fastball plays up thanks to location and movement, and he gets ahead in the count to set up a wealth of off-speed offerings, the best of which is a plus curveball. His change-up is advanced for his age, and he'll mix in an occasional slider and mid-80s hybrid pitch that resembles a cutter.
    The Bad: Lyles has little margin for error, and his inability to blow away hitters led to some struggles following a late-season promotion to Triple-A. Despite his length and a frame that should fill out, he's not very projectable; it seems like his current velocity already requires effort, leaving many to feel he's close to his ceiling.
    Ephemera: Of the 12 home runs surrendered by Lyles in 2010, seven of them were hit by batters leading off an inning.
    Perfect World Projection: He could be a dependable, consistently good third starter.
    Fantasy Impact: He issues walks while keeping his WHIP down and will have a big chunk of innings with a solid ERA, but he's not going to be a big impact type.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Lyles will return to Triple-A as a 20-year-old in 2011 at Houston's new Oklahoma City affiliate, and could make his debut before his 21st birthday.
    ETA: Late 2011

    2. Delino DeShields Jr., 2B/OF
    DOB: 8/16/92
    Height/Weight: 5-9/188
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: First round, 2010, Woodward Academy (GA)
    2010 Stats: .111/.200/.111 at Gulf Coast Rookie (2 G); .313/.356/.433 at Appalachian Rookie (16 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Speed/fielding

    Year in Review: The son of 13-year big-leaguer Delino DeShields moved up draft boards throughout the spring, but it was still a surprise to see him go eighth overall in June.
    The Good: DeShields is smaller than his father, but he is arguably a better all-around athlete. He's a plus-plus runner who already knows how to use his speed in game situations, and he generates surprisingly solid gap power with a quick compact swing, which could lead to double-digit home-run totals down the road. He gets strong grades for both his intelligence and makeup.
    The Bad: DeShields grew up as an outfielder and is projected as a good center fielder, but the Astros are going to try him out at second base in 2011, which will likely come with some growing pains. He needs to learn how to let his power work for him and focus more on contact as opposed to pulling the ball.
    Ephemera: A private school known more for its academics than sports, Woodward Academy has produced just two baseball draftees, but its alumni include presidential daughter Amy Carter and former senator Phil Graham.
    Perfect World Projection: The hope is that he can be very similar to his father but a better pure hitter.
    Fantasy Impact: He's worth drafting for steals alone.
    Path to the Big Leagues: DeShields will transfer to second base for his full-season debut in the Sally League.
    ETA: 2014

    3. Mike Foltynewicz, RHP
    DOB: 10/7/91
    Height/Weight: 6-4/200
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: First round, 2010, Minooka HS (IL)
    2010 Stats: 4.03 ERA (44.2-46-15-39) at Rookie (12 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Fastball/Changeup

    Year in Review: The top high school player in Illinois pitched at his best in front of top scouts, and he was landed with the 19th overall pick.
    The Good: Foltynewicz is a classic power right-hander in terms of both frame and stuff. His low-to-mid-90s fastball generates plenty of whiffs, and he'll flash a plus hard curveball with heavy break. He has some feel for a change-up and goes after hitters aggressively.
    The Bad: Foltynewicz baffled scouts with his inconsistency both in the spring and after signing, as he peaked at 97 mph in high school and had other outings where he'd rarely top 91. His curveball, changeup, and command all come and go, which some attribute to a delivery that needs to be smoothed out. More than anything, he's a cold-weather pitcher who needs innings.
    Ephemera: The best 19th overall pick in draft history is easily Roger Clemens (1983), but no other pitcher taken in that slot has won more than 54 big-league games.
    Perfect World Projection: Foltynewicz has a higher ceiling than Lyles, though he's far further from reaching it.
    Fantasy Impact: If he completely actualizes, he'll be a star-level pitcher.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Foltynewicz is ready for a full-season assignment, but he's expected to be a one-level-per-year type.
    ETA: 2013

    4. Ariel Ovando, OF
    DOB: 9/15/93
    Height/Weight: 6-4/190
    Bats/Throws: L/L
    Drafted/Signed: 2010, Dominican Republic
    2010 Stats: Did Not Play
    Best/Worst Tool: Power/speed

    Year in Review: The Astros made their biggest impact in Latin America by signing one of the top international players available this summer to a $2.6 million bonus.
    The Good: Ovando has all of the tools to be a classic right fielder. His long arms give him plus-plus raw power from the left side, and he has bat speed and plenty of leverage in a swing that features plenty of back-to-front weight transfer. He's an average runner and good outfielder with above-average run strength.
    The Bad: Like any 17-year-old who has yet to play in the United States, Ovando is exceedingly raw, with most questions revolving around his pure hitting skills, as the timing mechanism in his swing could leave him susceptible to good off-speed pitches. He's likely lose speed as his body matures.
    Ephemera: Ovando's bonus is the largest ever paid by the Astros for an amateur player, including draftees.
    Perfect World Projection: No position player in the system comes close to Ovando's ceiling, but he's also eons from reaching it.
    Fantasy Impact: It's not worth discussing yet.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Ovando is expected to make his pro debut at one of Houston's short-season affiliates in June.
    ETA: 2015

    5. Jonathan Villar, SS
    DOB: 5/2/91
    Height/Weight: 6-1/180
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: 2008, Dominican Republic (Phillies)
    2010 Stats: .272/.332/.358 at Low-A with Philadelphia (100 G); .225/.294/.372 at High-A with Houston (32 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Speed/power

    Year in Review: This ultra-athletic shortstop impressed with the Phillies and Houston following his inclusion in the Roy Oswalt trade.
    The Good: Villar has the tools to be an above-average everyday shortstop. He has bat speed with enough wrist strength to occasionally sting a ball, and he has excellent speed that he knows how to use on the basepaths. He's capable of jaw-dropping defensive plays, combining his wheels with good instincts that give him excellent range to both sides, and also showcases enough arm strength to make plays from deep in the hole.
    The Bad: Villar plays the game completely out of control at times, which keeps him from taking advantage of his physical ability. He swings at anything, leading to 153 strikeouts and just 38 walks in 2010, and needs to focus more on contact. One Sally League scout claimed Villar made the five best plays he saw all year, but also the five worst, as he committed 56 errors in just 130 games, often on the most routine of plays.
    Ephemera: Clearly not a night owl, Villar hit .412 in 22 day games in 2010, with a mark of just .236 when playing under the lights.
    Perfect World Projection: He could be a well above-average defender with gap power and speed.
    Fantasy Impact: The stolen bases alone will provide value, and he could end up with good power for a middle infielder.
    Path to the Big Leagues: After struggling there at the end of 2010, Villar should return to High-A Lancaster to begin the year.
    ETA: 2013

    6. Jimmy Paredes, 2B
    DOB: 11/25/88
    Height/Weight: 6-1/178
    Bats/Throws: B/R
    Drafted/Signed: 2006, Dominican Republic
    2010 Stats: .282/.312/.408 at Low-A with New York (99 G); .299/.331/.442 at Low-A with Houston (34 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Speed/glove

    Year in Review: This second baseman had a semi-breakout in his full-season debut and was a key player in the deal that sent Lance Berkman to New York.
    The Good: On a pure tools level, Paredes easily impresses. He's a switch-hitter who is equally adept from both sides and flashes the ability to drive balls. His speed ranks with Villar, and he stole 50 bases in 2010 while being caught just 11 times. His arm is his best defensive tool with enough strength and accuracy to play on the left side of the infield.
    The Bad: Paredes is a poor glove man who needs to work on his jumps, hands, and transfer. The hope is that he can get good enough at second to stick there and avoid a move to the outfield. He's a highly aggressive hitter who looks for fastballs early and often finds himself behind in the count.
    Ephemera: Occasionally spending time on the left side of the infield or even designated hitter for Low-A Charleston, Paredes hit just .259 when penciled in as a second baseman, but .342 at all other positions.
    Perfect World Projection: He could be an everyday second baseman with speed and a bit of pop in the bat.
    Fantasy Impact: He'll likely be worth more in fantasy than real baseball, especially in classic four-category leagues.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Parades will join Villar at High-A to form an intriguing double-play combo in one of baseball's best offensive parks.
    ETA: 2013

    7. Tanner Bushue, RHP
    DOB: 6/20/91
    Height/Weight: 6-4/180
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: Second round, 2009, South Central HS (IL)
    2010 Stats: 4.11 ERA (133.2-129-48-114) at Low-A (25 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Fastball/change-up

    Year in Review: A second-round pick from a small Midwest high school, Bushue had plenty of good starts in his full-season debut, but also proved he still has plenty of work to do.
    The Good: When Bushue has everything going, he's a tall, athletic, loose-armed, and highly projectable right-hander. He has plus velocity now, with room for more down the road. He'll flash a power breaking ball with good spin, and tends to throw strikes with both pitches.
    The Bad: Bushue remains more promise than reality. His curveball ranges from plus to well below average, and his change-up continues to be little more than a show-me offering. He seemed to be battling with his mechanics at times during the season, costing him both velocity and command. He's tends to work in the upper part of the strike zone and has a disturbingly high fly-ball rate.
    Ephemera: Bushue allowed 28 hits and 21 runs over 25 first innings in 2010, yet over the same number of second innings, he surrendered just four runs on 10 hits.
    Perfect World Projection: He'll be a solid but unspectacular mid-rotation starter, but there's still a ceiling here.
    Fantasy Impact: Limited.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Bushue will move up one level in 2011, and Lancaster will be no friend to his fly-ball tendencies.
    ETA: 2013

    8. J.D. Martinez, OF
    DOB: 8/21/87
    Height/Weight: 6-3/175
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: 20th round, 2009, Nova Southeastern University
    2010 Stats: .362/.433/.598 at Low-A (88 G); .302/.357/.407 at High-A (50 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Bat/speed

    Year in Review: This little-known 20th-round pick won Sally League MVP honors and then kept hitting after a move to Double-A.
    The Good: As surprising as Martinez's numbers are, scouts don't think he's a fluke. He has a good approach to go with outstanding hands and a quick, quiet swing that leads to hard contact to all fields and gap power. He's a good defensive outfielder with an average arm.
    The Bad: For many, Martinez profiles as no more than a tweener. He's a below-average runner who is limited to a corner, and he lacks the power to project as an everyday player there.
    Ephemera: Trying to emulate Pat Tabler, Martinez is a career .500 hitter (9-for-18) with the bases loaded.
    Perfect World Projection: He could be a second-division starter or good extra bat on a championship-level team.
    Fantasy Impact: He won't provide much power for his position and little speed, but he should hit for average.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Already 23, Martinez could move up to Triple-A Oklahoma City with a strong spring, and he has an outside shot at reaching the big leagues before the year is over.
    ETA: 2012

    9. Mike Kvasnicka, 3B/OF/C
    DOB: 12/7/88
    Height/Weight: 6-2/200
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: Supplemental first round, 2010, University of Minnesota
    2010 Stats: .234/.305/.337 at Short-season (68 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Bat/glove

    Year in Review: Had scouts gotten more looks at him behind the plate, Kvasnicka might have gone in the first round instead of falling to the sandwich round.
    The Good: Kvasnicka is a strong-bodied player with hitting ability. Despite struggles in his debut, he projects to hit for both average and solid power thanks to a line-drive swing with strength and leverage. He has a solid arm and has potential at three positions, the most intriguing of which is catcher, where he showed surprising promise in college despite playing there sparingly. Scouts are nearly universal in their acclaim for Kvasnicka's makeup and effort.
    The Bad: While Kvasnicka is well-rounded, other than below-average speed, he lacks a true plus tool. There's a trigger in his swing that sometimes leaves him a bit long and behind good fastballs. He's a tough third baseman who often gets handcuffed by ground balls.
    Ephemera: A second-generation gopher, Mike's father, Jay, was a eighth-round pick by the Twins in 1988, and made it as high as Triple-A as a left-handed outfielder with speed.
    Perfect World Projection: It's hard to know without a position. Obviously, if he can stick behind the plate, his value moves up significantly.
    Fantasy Impact: He does some things well, but none at a star level. Again, position will be key.
    Path to the Big Leagues: Kvasnicka will play at one of the Astros' A-level affiliates, likely seeing the majority of his playing time at third base. Like Lyles, there's not a lot of star potential here, but he could move quickly.
    ETA: 2013

    10. Jiovanni Mier, SS
    DOB: 8/26/90
    Height/Weight: 6-2/175
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: First round, 2009, Bonita HS (CA)
    2010 Stats: .235/.323/.314 at Low-A (131 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Glove/bat

    Year in Review: The Astros' first-round pick in 2009 failed to build on his surprising debut by collapsing offensively at Low-A.
    The Good: Especially after his offensive struggles, any discussion of Mier begins with his glove, as his range, hands, and arm all rate as above average at a position where plus defenders are increasingly difficult to find. There are some good signs from his numbers if you look for them: he had 63 walks and 31 doubles on the year, and a .279 batting average in his last 36 games.
    The Bad: Mier often seemed lost at the plate in 2010, leading to some mechanical tinkering that took him backward. “Sometimes he'd try to hit for contact, sometimes he'd try to hit for power, and sometimes he'd just try to get a walk,” said one scout, adding, “He never really looked focused or comfortable up there.” He can get rushed defensively and committed 34 errors, but it's not a long-term concern.
    Ephemera: Mier's older brother, Jesse, was a 12th-round pick in 2007 who was selected by the Rangers in the Triple-A phase of last week's Rule 5 draft.
    Perfect World Projection: He could be an above-average defensive shortstop with just enough bat to play every day.
    Fantasy Impact: What's the opposite of impact?
    Path to the Big Leagues: Unless the Astros want to rush a prospect ahead of him, Mier might begin 2011 by repeating Low-A.
    ETA: 2014

    11. Jose Altuve, 2B
    DOB: 5/6/90
    Height/Weight: 5-5/148
    Bats/Throws: R/R
    Drafted/Signed: Venezuela, 2006
    2010 Stats: .308/.364/.445 at Low-A (94 G); .276/.333/.457 at High-A (31 G)
    Best/Worst Tool: Hit/arm

    Year in Review: Among the strangest prospects in the game, Altuve performed at both Low- and High-A, while continuing to hit against much tougher competition in the Venezuelan Winter League.
    The Good: As mixed as scouts are on Altuve, they are almost universally agreed when discussing how much they enjoy watching him play. He's a pure contact hitter with tremendous plate coverage and power that borders on shocking considering his size. He's an above-average runner and a fundamentally sound defender who makes the play on every ball he gets to.
    The Bad: Scouts find it difficult to wrap their heads around Altuve, who is thought to be even shorter than his listed height, and leaving him without comparison in modern baseball. He could use a more patient approach at the plate, and he is an inefficient basestealer.
    Ephemera: More than one-third of Altuve's 33 Sally League walks came in the first innings of games, yet none of his nine free passes at Lancaster did.
    Perfect World Projection: Altuve is so unique that it's hard to figure out just what he can be. At the same time, it's hard to argue with his talent. Hey, it worked for Wee Willie Keeler, right?
    Fantasy Impact: Stolen bases, average, and a bit of power... there's at least a chance he can help.
    Path to the Big Leagues: With so many middle infielders at the lower levels, somebody is going to get rushed to Double-A, and it just might be Altuve.
    ETA: 2013.

    The Sleeper: A seventh-round pick in June, catcher Roberto Pena is a switch-hitter with advanced defensive skills, including a plus-plus arm.

    Top 10 Talents 25 And Under (born 4/1/85 or later)
    1. Jordan Lyles, RHP
    2. Jason Castro, C
    3. Delino DeShields, 2B/OF
    4. Brett Wallace, 1B
    5. Mike Foltynewicz, RHP
    6. Ariel Ovando, OF
    7. Jonathan Villar, SS
    8. Jimmy Paredes, 2B
    9. Tannuer Bushue, RHP
    10. J.D. Martinez, OF

    Both Castro and Wallace struggled mightily in the big leagues, but both should develop into fringe-average regulars. An average catcher is worth far more than an average first baseman, thus the rankings. The fact that these are the only two big-league players on the rankings speaks volumes about what a mess the organization has become.

    Summary: A combination of bad contracts, little young talent, and a poor minor-league system leaves the Astros with a big hole to dig out of. They're getting better slowly, but a return to contention is still years away, and anything but guaranteed.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12579
     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    play all young guys and trade all players > 26.

    Phillies will own the NL for the next 3 years.
     
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    I don't like Goldstein. His scouting reports often conflict with things I hear everywhere else, and no exception here. He says Lyles has a plus curve but what my eyes tell me and what I've seen in pretty much every other report is that his curve is just average/solid, and his changeup is his plus secondary offering.

    Tanner Bushue does not have plus velocity right now. He sits in the high 80s.

    Despite his gaudy SB numbers, Paredes is not as fast as Villar. He is an above average runner who likes to steal bases, but he's no Bourn, and scouts feel that as he gets older and fills out he'll lose some speed and gain some power. I've seen reports that he could develop into 20+ HR power from a middle infield position, in fact, not just "a bit" of power like Goldstein implies.

    These are just some of the issues with his story. I just don't consider him a reliable analyst. He also seems to have some personal bias against the Astros from some of the comments he's made on Twitter etc.
     
  11. MadMax

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    you're not the first person i've read saying this very same thing with respect to goldstein. interesting.
     
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    He also says Martinez is an good defensive outfielder, every thing else I've heard is he is beyond awful defensively.
     
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    repped! Man, what a let-down that was, though.
     
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    Those biases might have been earned by having to watch film on the Astros lackluster farm system :p
     
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    His reports on some of the players don't seem to be correct but he is pretty much right. The farm still stinks and it going to take another 3 or 4 draft classes to get a respectable farm system in my opinion.
     
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    Not that we have any Cubs fans here(or do we?) :p but Kerry Wood looks like he's heading back to the Chicago Cubs
     
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    Ahh man. :(

    Time for Cubs fan to print out World Series Tickets.
     
  19. J.R.

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    Ha they wish.
     
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