I figured as much: DID NOT SEE Trump mentioned ANYWHERE within that statement. What we have regarding Trump is, as Schiff has stated, "allegations".
You now want to separate Trump from his own campaign? LOL! Again, your exact quote: Proved your point? LOL, the main point I proved was that you will say or do anything to defend Trump. i know, its embarrassing seeing the guy you voted for turn out to be such a liar and crook. And it will undoubtedly leave a scar, both on you, the republican party, and unfortunately, the United States. If and when someone on Trump's campaign is proven to have acted with the Russians to influence the past election... Trump will be so weakened that if he doesn't step down republicans will wish he stepped down.
Can I ask what the point is you are trying to convey here? That the FBI (along with Congress, & the Senate Committees) are criminally investigating whether JUST the Trump campaign affiliates were colluding with a foreign enemy to help get elected and that is somehow excusable because it wasn't Trump personally that is being investigated aside from the campaign with his name on it? Dude the Trump campaign & its associates represent Donald Trump. Even if only one person is found guilty of collusion its still going to be a major stain on his presidency that will follow him for as long as he's in office. Do you guys think its going to be a win for the Country here if Trump himself isn't guilty of a crime, but his associates are? Maybe Trump is acquitted of all wrongdoing. Maybe the White House is successful in ousting Paul Ryan (with the failed AHCA falling on his shoulders) & put in a Sycophant as Speaker who will NEVER move forward on impeachment. Maybe they hold the House in 2018 as well. Maybe he moves on from this on his agenda and does some successful things in the next couple years. However despite all of that, IF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN ANY WAY IS FOUND GUILTY OF A CRIME in what they are being investigated for right now, there will always be an asterisk by Trump's name in the history books and you will never stop hearing the end of it. This is serious stuff here man, and I feel sorry for the Trump fans who continue to be in denial about the historical significance of the charge that could be potentially coming down on Trump's lap. Lets just stop trying to parse words here, and argue against the inarguable. Trump is innocent until found guilty, but the crimes they are investigating are serious enough to question why the Republicans & Trump fans are trying like hell to downplay it, blame everyone else, and swipe it under the rug. Be a Freaking Patriotic American please.
Not as ridiculous as deluding yourself into thinking that the Iraq War or the Recession never happened under Bush's watch. It's all right though, you've provided no arguments as to why Bush > Obama. So I'm just going to assume you're trolling.
I don't doubt that you could go through plenty of talking points in order to defend your boy but the facts are that he accomplished nothing positive while president and left the country with a mess in the middle east that was relatively stable when he took over and he helped divide the country worse than it's been in decades. Like I said, I know people like you see Obama as a deity of sorts and like any religious zealot you aren't likely to change that belief simply because it goes against reality. So by all means, keep on worshiping if you like.
It's really funny that some GOPers are claiming vindication of this news that Trump people were being spied on. The only reason they were recorded was because THEY WERE talking to russian officials. It's like the exact opposite conclusion they should have. It's like if a woman suspects her husband of cheating so she has him followed. She catches him screwing some other woman and then outs that woman to her husband. The mistress can't claim she was being spied on by the wife of the guy she was ****ing.
And what did George Bush accomplish to make up for the Iraq War and the Recession? You stated that Bush was better than Obama, defend your boy Bush instead of talking exclusively about Obama.
The information Nunes provided was not related to Russia. This was a separate investigation into whether Trunp's claims the he had been wiretaped, and was not part of the Russia investigation. Obviously some people are willing to obfuscate and blur their rhetoric in order to give the appearance that this was related to Russia.
We don't know what it was related to. All he said was that the recordings picked these members of Trump's team up through "incidental collection" meaning they weren't the actual targets. They were communicating with other people being targeted and got captured as part of that.
Remember Trump only hires the best... until it's legally prudent to distance oneself away from those you hire.
Yes, we should be more careful of what we say. Whatever Nunes was referring to, he did say it was not from spying on Russian officials. That doesn't mean it wasn't related to Russia. Nor does it mean it was innocent communication. If it was ISIS on the other end of the line, I'd want the NSA writing reports about that too. In any case, I do agree with Brando's point -- it's not a good look when you have your conversations recorded because you're talking to a target of intelligence surveillance. Presumption of innocence and whatever, but why would he be talking to any such people when he's not yet president?
First off, Nunes' integrity is somewhat questionable at this point. But even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't simply a pawn of Trump's at this point... lets look at that quote you provided: What does that mean? It could mean he saw things that did not involve Russia or discussions with Russia. It also could mean he saw some things related to Russia His awkward phrasing only suggests that not everything he say was related to Russia. If he meant otherwise, he would have said "Nothing I saw was related to Russia." If you read any of the reporting on his statement, that ambiguity was highlighted in the reporting. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...es_just_say_about_trump_and_surveillance.html What the Hell Did Devin Nunes Just Say About Trump and Surveillance?
The wire taping allegation is an offshoot of the Russia investigation. They are very clearly linked. Nunes even said that he saw a few dozen conversations and "a lot of it has foreign intelligence value." Whatever random conversations that Nunes is talking about likely was side conversation with the operatives that they are accused of speaking with. It's likely like when Flyn was wishing a Russian operative merry Christmas in addition to talking about campaign related issues. 5:30 It would be different if these conversations were between Trump officials and just about anyone else on Earth. If Nunes wants to put these bold conclusions out there then he should provide details and have someone from the intelligence community collaborate his claims that the information was not relevant. He should not be seen as a reliable source. He has a major conflict of interest as a member of Trump's transition team and he displayed VERY obvious partisan intentions in the hearing on Monday. This is just another attempt by someone with close ties to the Trump organization ( Nunes was on the transition team) to distract investigation efforts in order to delay the FBI's 9 month investigation between Trump and Russia. He literally said that their committee will now look into this issue. Whatever. Do that but then form an independent committee to look into the Trump-Russia Allegations.
You treat Obama as Satan incarnate and like any religious zealot you aren't likely to change that belief simply because it goes against reality.
Why were the Trump crew speaking to people they shouldn't have been talking with? Is Trump making deals with ISIS..?
