You mean like "You can keep your doctor/plan if you like it."? I'm pretty sure Obama used his POTUS twitter account to discount any opposition to his agenda. Of course, we all know that Obama had almost zero push back from the propaganda outlets on the left, so he didn't have to do it very often.
This is just you making excuses for one president blatantly lying and pretending like it is different when another president blatantly lies. Millions of Americans had their plans change, and Obama knew that would happen from the beginning. So yeah, a blatant lie is a blatant lie, even when it is told by someone you support.
(You continue to fail the challenge....) Yes; roughly four million Americans had their plans change - and not all entirely because of ACA (employers changing plans was a common occurrence prior to ACA). There are 319 million people in this country covered by some form of health care. The overwhelming majority of these Americans, as he claimed, did not experience a change. He should have been more explicit, providing better context & more qualifications. But, generally, what he said was true.
Your "challenge" is stupid, I'm just trying to put things in context, something that has been seriously lacking lately. We've heard plenty of people calling all sorts of things "unprecedented" and I'm pointing out how that's simply not true. Obama's comments were 100% a lie and he knew that they were 100% a lie when he said them. There's simply no case suggesting otherwise. When you say "No one is going to have to change their plan" while knowing fully well that millions of people will have to change their plans, there's no difference between that lie and the lies about "millions of illegal votes". You trying to defend Obama here just undercuts your credibility.
If you ask Obama today if millions of people's plans changed, he would say yes. If you ask Trump at any point for the rest of his life if he lost the popular vote, he would say no.
Okay.....so what? My point was that presidents lying isn't "unprecedented", it's just something they kind of do when they want to push a narrative that the facts don't support. You should expect politicians to lie. You should especially expect Trump to lie. This whole thing is a mountain made of a mole hill.
Just dropping this here. The ACA or plans changed because the insurance companies changed them, why? Because the Republicans refused to allow the ACA law to limit the insurance companies - because you know...they are paid by Insurance lobbies. So, understand that the ACA had no teeth to control costs, because republicans.....so....now you know. DD
Blaming ACA on Republicans? Now that is rich! Remember it was rammed through in a party line vote! Stay in the GARM, son.
Too many compromises, to get it through, eventually this will all lead to single payer, which it should have been from the beginning. DD
That has been something that the least informed on the left have been trying to push for a little while now. They seem to have already forgotten that the Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the ACA, it was a 100% Democrat bill. They confuse a bit of compromises that happened between the moderate left Democrats and the far left Democrats with actual compromise with Republicans. It's funny how quickly they are trying to completely re-write history on that one now that the ACA completely failed the way that Republicans at the time said it was going to fail.
Gee, you think Trump's major investigation will uncover how many people are registered to vote in more than one state? He might catch a number of interesting shady characters... his Senior Counselor, his Secretary of the Treasury, his daughter...
If the current voter registration process allows for this, then it is the system that needs to be re-hauled, I wouldn't blame the people. Often time people move around (or pass away) and the need to remove themselves from the voter list is simply lost or forgotten. However, this does open up the possibility that those with malicious intent can use the voters with invalid registration status to cast a vote, which is something we will never be able to prove without strict voter ID laws. If this whole mess with fraud investigation manages to centralize the voter registration process, introduce mandatory voter ID and provides some type of federal ID that can be obtained for free to all US citizen, I think it would be a huge win for democracy.
I don't necessarily disagree with that idea, but it won't happen in this country. States' rights conservatives won't stand for that. Welcome to federalism.
Nor only does Trump claim there were 3-5 million illegal votes, he claims that NONE of them were for him. Assume for a minute there were 3-5 million illegal votes. It is statistically impossible for NONE of those votes to be for him. At the very least, one of those illegal voters would have accidentally voted for him.
Breaking news! Illegal voters found: http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/w...s-man-starts-3-year-sentence-for-10914586.php Though its doubt these voters are the ones Trump and the rightwingnuts are targeting... Montgomery County Tea Party member John Wertz sent a letter to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's office Dec. 15, 2016, asking Paxton to commute Heath's sentence. It was the AG's Office, headed by then-AG Greg Abbott (now governor), that prosecuted Heath and the others in the RUD case. "What the rent-a-voters, Heath and (other RUD voters) ... have all done is allowed under that law," Wertz said in a December 2016 article in The Courier. "The lawbreakers are the developers who are giving the cheap rent to those rent-a-voters in turn for their votes in the RUD elections."
