Novel Thought: Give Tierre Brown Moochie's Minutes

I second that.

 

I really cannot argue with that. Taking it further, we may just know whether we may want to move Moochie to help upgrade another position.

 

And what position would that be? You're not going to be able to trade Moochie for a player that's better than one our starting 5. And if he was required in a package to nab someone who was significantly better... then we already know that the Mooch would be history.

I bet Rudy can evaluate Brown well enough from what he does in practice. You just don't get to see those .

 

I am not sure I am with you on that. I believe the Rockets like Moochie for what he can do and as insurance for Wink. They proved that by the contract that they gave him. However, I think Moochie has more respect at this time around the league than he did last year and he may just be needed badly by someone else. If that was to be the case he could be packaged to get something done.

What position? I believe we have to address the 5 spot. I am one of those who feel reasonably comfortable with our 48 mins at the 5 spot being manned by Cato, Collier, EG and even MoT. That would be my plan B, and I would still pursue trying to upgrade that spot.

As far as the other positions, I would not say we have an urgent need to upgrade any of the other spots. I am not one of those salivating over Odom or Lewis. Quite frankly, I am happy to just wait and see who is there at #7 or wherever we pick. I am also happy to wait for more "consolidation" to take place on the team. Like this season we had "consolidation" with the improvements by Mobes, KT, and EG. Next year we can expect more from these guys and of course OT, Tmo and in a different sense, Wink. All these considerations justify the patient, deliberate and confident approach.

Barring injuries, this is a very dangerous team.

 

Because he's a good player?

As for Tierre Brown, Rudy makes players earn their PT in practice. Collier, Langhi, Torres never get to play except in blowouts, so why should Brown? Recently, it seems that Rudy will give a couple minutes to these guys anyway, but not at the expense of 90% of the rotation guys' minutes.

 

Moochie for Kwame & a swap of #1 picks with Washington might work.

 

Moochie has played OUTSTANDING this year. He started slowly, but he LEADS the team in assist to T/O ratio.

He has done an admirable job when Steve has been injured, and has hit tons of clutch baskets.

Don't hate the mooch...he is getting paid Matt Maloney money and is actually contributing.

DD

 

Manny,

While I agree with you about getting Tierre/Langhi/Collier/T-Mo/Torres some serious minutes to find out if we're going to keep them or not, I do have to disagree with your opinion of Moochie regressing.

I know that we had to endure that frustrating stretch where he dribbled away the games, but overall, his stats have improved dramatically this year, with the exception of his FG, 3pt, & FT shooting percentages. He's also developed into a clutch shooter with the game on the line. Here's his career stats.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/moochie_norris/career_statistics.html

YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 VAN 8 0 11.1 .182 .200 .400 .40 1.10 1.50 2.9 .50 .00 .63 .60 1.5
98-99 SEA 12 0 11.7 .325 .400 .375 .30 1.30 1.70 2.0 .58 .00 1.33 1.40 3.2
99-00 HOU 30 0 16.7 .434 .414 .781 .50 1.70 2.30 3.1 .77 .03 1.00 1.10 6.9
00-01 HOU 82 6 20.2 .446 .281 .778 .50 1.90 2.40 3.5 .84 .02 1.30 1.00 6.6
01-02 HOU 67 24 27.6 .407 .275 .745 .80 2.10 2.90 5.0 .96 .06 1.84 1.60 8.5
Career 199 30 21.3 .417 .298 .748 .60 1.90 2.50 3.8 .84 .04 1.41 1.20 6.9





CAREER TOTALS
REBOUNDS
YEAR TEAM G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
96-97 VAN 8 0 89 4-22 2-10 2-5 3 9 12 23 4 0 5 5 12
98-99 SEA 12 0 140 13-40 6-15 6-16 4 16 20 24 7 0 16 17 38
99-00 HOU 30 0 502 69-159 12-29 57-73 16 52 68 94 23 1 30 32 207
00-01 HOU 82 6 1,654 184-413 25-89 151-194 44 154 198 283 69 2 107 84 544
01-02 HOU 67 24 1,851 213-523 30-109 111-149 56 139 195 338 64 4 123 109 567
Career 199 30 4,236 483-1,157 75-252 327-437 123 370 493 762 167 7 281 247 1,368

 

Hottoddie, your stats are damn near illegible.

Comparing this season to last, I discovered something about Moochie: he's become a better passer but a worse scorer.

This season he gets 5.04 assists and 1.84 turnovers for a ratio of 2.74 assists per turnover. Last season, he has 3.45 assists, 1.29 turnovers and a ratio of 2.67.

But, statistically, his scoring has taken a dive. His average went up from 6.63 to 8.46 PPG. His PP48 went down, though, from 15.75 to 14.74. His FG% went down from 44.55% to 40.73%; 3P% from 28.09% to 27.52%, FT% (which should never go down, IMO) from 77.84% to 74.5%, and his Points per Attempt down from 1.32 (impressive) to 1.08 (not impressive).

I never really noticed it before, but, yes, Moochie's play has declined from last year. His improved passing is more than offset by his decline in shooting. The decline must be in part due to that bad stretch he had when Francis was out. This decline may be due to being forced into the starting 5 by Francis' injury (he is taking over 2.5 more shots per game than last year), or from the change in the team makeup and strategy, or from the defensive rules changes (that Mobley seems to have gotten over). Or, he just isn't playing as well anymore.

That doesn't mean I want Tierre playing in his place though. For one thing, Tierre isn't playing better than the Mooch of this season. His assists per turnover is much lower at 1.68. His Points per Attempt are slightly lower at 1.06. His FG% is slightly better at 42.68% (vs. 40.73%), 3P% better at 28.57% (at these percentages, I don't want Tierre or Mooch shooting the three), but FT% is worse at 68.18%.

Of course, none of this analysis can measure the intangibles.

Besides that, we've seen better play from Mooch before, so I think we can hope to see it again. I'm not of the philosophy that you give up on someone whenever they have a slump. I haven't done any game-by-game analysis, but he does seem to play much better than he did early in the season. If someone has time left, they may want to compare Mooch's PPA and A/TO and FG% from Nov-Jan to Jan-March.

 

But, Mooch would probably be the best PG on a lot of teams

Memphis
New York (maybe)
Atlanta
Denver
San Antonio (current abilities, not potential)
Washington
Golden State
Detroit
Lakers(?)



He's an average starter. If he was the worse player in a starting line-up, then the team wouldn't have to worry. But when the lineup is:

Mooch
Cat
Walt
KT
Cato


You have to be Francis to be the PG on that team.

 

Moochie's better than Dana Barros or Tim Hardaway?

really?

I don't think so but i surely agree he's at his best comming off the bench

 

At this stage in their respective careers, I'm sure Mooch is better than those two. I thought Derek Fisher or Mark Jackson would be more debateable.

 

I don't know about you guys but I recently noticed Tierre's intensity on the defensive end. I don't know if it was just the last game but his defense caught my eye.

 

I 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th.........

 

I think it's called fighting for an NBA Career

bigboymumu

Though when i watched him here at McNeese St. he always played hard

though, he had 7'1 Brewer swatting anything that got past him

His shooting was very good in college but how often does that translate to the pros?

i'd hate to see him guard Marbury for 30 minutes a game
there's hustle, and there's defensive skills

Tierre's an offensive player
hands down

 

Moochie is a better player than Tierre Brown. If Rudy thought that Brown could outplay him he would put Moochie on the bench.