Yung T PG - Isaiah Thomas SG - Kerry Kittles SF - Nicolas Batum PF- Thaddeus Young C - DeMarcus Cousins Bench: Jason Richardson, Robert Horry, John Henson vs. FTW Rockets Teague Eric Gordon Mike Dunleavy Greg Monroe Andrew Bogut Bench: Jamal Crawford, Aaron Afflalo, Donyell Marshall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thething PG: Ty Lawson SG: Cuttino Mobley SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Kenneth Faried C: Marcus Camby Bench: Damon Stoudamire, JJ Redick, PJ Brown vs. Dfb g Eric Bledsoe g Doug Christie / Avery Bradley f Danilo Gallinari / Jimmy Butler f Serge Ibaka c Nikola Pekovic / Arvydas Sabonis
Damn brehs, my team is way too athletic for him and he doesn't have the defenders to stop my guys. Thad would draw Greg out of the paint and kill him with his speed. Kittles, Batum and Richardson kill his wings and are more than capable of defending them. Isaiah vs. Teague is a wash. Got Thad and Henson to defend Greg. Kittles and Batum can defend his shooters off the bench. Overall my team has way better defense and is extremely athletic compared to his, also better spacing which leads to problems for his front court and bad defensive backcourt. Don't see how I'm losin this.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion breh. No need to fight it. Win lose either way nothing really happens.
I really don't know who would win between Yung and FTW. They both have a lot of guys who were good on losing teams. I think DFB's team would beat both of them. But my team is the best. If these guys played together in their prime, one would have to be voted into the allstar game.
I won't judge the last matchup. I think FTW team has a bit more talent. A better bench. Bogut is a nice option to defend Cousins. Thad Young won't have an easy time with Monroe. On the other hand, Monroe will struggle to chase Thad Young as well, he's a much more athletic player. Yung-T has a much better wing defense. I think overall Yung-T has more matchup advantages here. But I think the talent difference makes it about even.
I think you have a talented team. A lot of offense from perimeter players. But in my personal opinion, you had terrible matchups in both rounds so far, and Yung-T would be another terrible matchup if he made it to the finals. FTW wouldn't be a great matchup either, but it would be better. In general, Al Jefferson, Pekovic, Sabonis, Cousins, Bogut, Monroe are the type of matchups that used to make Denver fans poop their pants in Camby days. Camby was terrible when he faced stronger skilled offensive centers. Many of them used to have career nights defended by Camby. He's a nice shot blocker, but not a nice at all option when faced vs. stronger offensive center. RedNation's, mine and Yung-T's teams have these type of centers, a number of great wing defenders to slow down your main offensive options, and good scoring point guards, the types that Lawson might struggle with (especially RedNation with Andre Miller's post ups). I don't know that your team would lose these matchups, Lawson-Cuttino-Jefferson is a great perimeter group. A lot of talent there. But I would have to think long and hard. Absolutely terrible matchups for you.
I am not sure how I lose this but I accept whatever the result. I thought we were talking about prime in 2000. While Yung T may have better wing defense, my team is explosive. I have legit 20+ scorers at the wing position in Gordon and also Crawford of the bench. A legit stretch 4 in Donyell Marshall who can match Thad Young stride for stride if need be and shot 40% from 3 point land during his peak. Bogut can shut down the paint including Cousins. Afflalo is an underrated defender who can be used when needed. Even if his wing D is better, just feel my team is too offensively powered. OTOH, he doesn't have great scorers who would give my D much trouble. Gordon can hold his position well. Dunleavy was a 19/5/5 player at his peak with 42% 3 point land and 48% FG. He will give Batum plenty of trouble. Anyway
I don't think this is true. I was just looking at basketball reference and I can't find any career games against Camby. The best I found was one 24 point outing by Jefferson. Sure, he wasn't the best against stronger centers, but saying he was terrible is overstating it. If you can find a career night against him I'd like to see it. Regardless, if he actually was a defensive liability, I have PJ Brown off the bench who if you go back to 2000 was a very strong post defender.
You think your team would beat mine. I think my team would beat yours. Yung T thinks his team would beat everyone, every time, regardless of the draft. :grin:
PJ might be a better option, I don't know. A tougher defender but he's another lean cat, more of a PF type, and you'd have no rim protection. As to Camby games, well, for example some scoring centers vs. Denver in 2007-08: Amar'e - 4 games, 27 pt-10rb on average Yao - 2 games, 24-16 Al Jefferson - 4 games, 19-14.5 Dwight - 2 games, 21.5-18.5 Duncan - 4 games, 18.5-11.5 Zach Randolph - 2 games, 19-14 Chris Kaman - 2 games, 16.5-15 Mehmet Okur - 4 games, 19.5-10.5 Camby was 1st team all defense that year, his best rebounding and shot blocking year. But people exposed him left and right. In general, Camby is a nice player, a very good rim protector and rebounder, but definitely not without significant flaws. Very shaky post defense, not the best shot selection, and general stat whoring attitude.
"I don't see how I lose" - next time someone says this line or something similar. I'm voting against that person regardless if your team is better or not.
Amare wasn't even starting at center that year--Shaq was. But those are hardly career numbers. It's pretty close to most of their averages. I know your point--Camby is overrated as a post defender. He was much better at team defense and blocking shots. But he wasn't like Andrea Bargnani in post defense. PJ was a 6'11 pesky defender that could guard the offensive centers. He averaged over a block per game so I wouldn't say he offered no rim protection, but I know what you are getting at.
What's going on? Is this thing almost over yet? I want to get in an all time draft and then sit out for awhile
