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No matter who wins in the general election, climate change deniers will lose.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Mar 30, 2012.

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  1. Northside Storm

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    The men and women of science are winning this battle no matter what. You can't keep the economists from listening to sense. Every one of our disciplines is based on the same rational, logical framework, so this was perhaps inevitable; a scientific and economic consensus on the need to combat climate change, that will translate into politics.

    Romney's two main economic advisers---

    Everyone who is a climate change denier will have to swallow the fact that the battle will be definitively lost for them, if not now, than in the next few years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigou_Club

    Notable members
    N. Gregory Mankiw June 17, 2006 Founder
    Michael Bloomberg November 2, 2007 Politician
    Gary Becker June 17, 2006 Economist (Nobel laureate)
    Nouriel Roubini November 9, 2006 Economist
    Alan Greenspan October 2, 2006 Economist (Former Chairman of the Fed)
    Paul Volcker February 14, 2007 Economist (Former Chairman of the Fed)
    Hal Varian October 1, 2006 Economist
    Lawrence Summers October 31, 2006
    Paul Krugman June 24, 2006 Economist (Nobel laureate)
    Steven Levitt June 18, 2006 Economist
    William Nordhaus June 17, 2006 Economist
    Jeffrey Sachs April 9, 2008 Economist
    Kenneth Rogoff September 16, 2006 Economist
    Jason Furman February 2, 2007 Economist
    Kevin Hassett January 29, 2007 Economist (former McCain advisor)
     
    #1 Northside Storm, Mar 30, 2012
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    I have yet to meet even one climate change denier.

    I have met quite a few people who believe man is NOT the only factor and probably it's least attribute.
     
    #2 RocketRaccoon, Mar 30, 2012
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    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-dangers-carbon-dioxide-tell-plant-152230291.html

    Rick Santorum: ‘The dangers of carbon dioxide? Tell that to a plant’

    As he did last month, Santorum positioned himself as the only candidate in the GOP field that stands polar opposite of Obama on energy, calling global warming a "hoax."
     
    #3 Northside Storm, Mar 30, 2012
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    does it matter to what degree we are contributing to climate change?
     
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    Yes. If we are not contributing to climate change, or are contributing in a statistically insignificant way, then all the economic damage we are doing to our country in the name of "solving the climate problem" is not just pointless, it's flat-out stupid.
     
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    statistics? how many waterways in the world are not clean enough to swim in due to us? why would you not want a world free of pollutants?
     
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    What? When you're passing regulation after regulation based on the false idea that man is causing 100% of it, then I say hell yes.
     
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    Not according to several Nobel laureates in economics, two former chairmen of the Fed, and the two principal economic advisers to the Romney campaign (as well as a major adviser to the McCain campaign.)

    By N. GREGORY MANKIW

     
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    hmmm.
     
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    harmful and toxic pollution like heavy metals, organics (like benzene), and smog is much much much different than a carbon tax for climate change.
     
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    yes, but it is a matter of principle.
     
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    For economists, it is one and the same. We listen to data. We are trained to do so. We don't base our conjunctures on ideology or feeling.

    Once again, to emphasize.

    By N. GREGORY MANKIW
     
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    My post did not affirm or deny climate change. All I said was that it matters what to what degree humanity is contributing to it.
     
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    that doesn't even make any sense. There is no doubt lead and VOCs are directly harmful to humans.

    Pollution and climate change are two different issues.
     
    #15 Bandwagoner, Mar 30, 2012
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    no, it doesn't.
     
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    you are an economist now? I thought you were a professional reading comprehension expert.
     
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    can you explain this. what is your reasoning behind it.
     
    #18 Bandwagoner, Mar 30, 2012
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    I'm doing a honors degree in economics in one of the top-20 universities in the world, the point is the same if you take we out and replace it with they, if you want to get snippy.
     
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    I was gonna congratulate you but whatever
     
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