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News Networks Preparing for Short Election Night

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. Lil Pun

    Lil Pun Contributing Member

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    I hope this election is not dragged out and it looks like the networks are preparing for such an event. Still troubles me a little though.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081017/pl_politico/14660

    Network news executives said they are preparing for an unusual Election Night challenge: How to be honest with the audience, and still keep them tuned in, if the race between John McCain and Barack Obama is effectively decided before most Americans have finished dinner.

    After two elections in which the suspense went far into the evening (and, in the case of 2000, for 36 days afterward), the executives said they are contemplating how to manage their newscasts in the event of an Obama blowout — in which the Democrat’s victory would be obvious while polls are still open in most of the country.

    “Our policy is that we won’t call individual states until all of the voting in those states is finished,” said Jeffrey Schneider, ABC News senior vice president. “If enough of those states add up to 270 electoral votes, then the outcome is obvious.”

    The quandary is highlighted by Virginia, a state that has not voted Democratic for president since 1964 but where Obama is now leading in polls. There is no realistic McCain electoral college strategy that does not depend on winning the Old Dominion.

    If it is clear on Nov. 4 that Obama has won in Virginia by the time polls there close at 7 p.m. — it will still be daylight west of the Mississippi — the obvious conclusion will be that Obama is headed to the White House.

    But executives are already mulling how clearly they would want their anchors and analysts to state the obvious, since networks have been criticized for depressing turnout by calling elections while polls are still open for several more hours. But they must also decide how they are going to fill air time, since networks are planning to be on the air until 2 a.m. on the East Coast.

    Paul Friedman, CBS News senior vice president, said he has started to think “about what we could do to augment our Senate and House coverage on election night if the presidential story is over."

    “As to the presidential race, it's pretty simple: We will try to call a winner in each state as soon as possible after the polls close in each state,” Friedman e-mailed. “If that adds up to 270 for someone before the polls close in the West, there's not a lot we can do. If there are not enough electoral votes for one man to win it before the Western states close, but we're pretty sure how they're going to fall, we will be ready with language which states the obvious without being too obvious. We can't be in the business of pretending to be stupid.”

    Network political experts do not expect a candidate to reach the winning threshold of 270 electoral votes before 11 p.m. Eastern. “Nearly a mathematical impossibility,” one network official e-mailed.

    So even if the trend looks insurmountable, the technical suspense will remain, even in the outcome has been clear for hours.

    Friedman said that in case of a landslide, “We could say something like, ‘Given the number of electoral votes Obama already has, and given what we know about the voting so far in various states where the polls have not closed, it is going to be very hard for John McCain to win.’ I would sincerely hope that kind of language would not discourage people out West from voting.”

    Sam Feist, CNN's political director, cautioned that it could be harder than ever to project states early because all of the new, young and African-American voters could scramble turnout models. "Projecting races on Election Night is very dependent on comparisons to what the vote looked like in previous years," he said.

    A night of early surprises would be a gift for John King's "Magic Wall" of computerized maps. Feist said: "If we know early in the evening that Barack Obama wins a critical state such as Virginia or Florida, we'll have a conversation about what John McCain would have to pull out of his hat now," such as Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Mexico, Colorado or Nevada.

    McCain strategists, while not conceding defeat, argue that they are running in what is perhaps the most hostile climate a major-party nominee has ever faced, considering the economic implosion, the unpopularity of President Bush and news coverage that they believe has turned against them.

    McCain is playing defense in a host of states that George W. Bush won twice, most notably Ohio and Florida but also such normally safe states as North Carolina and Indiana (which, incidentally, has a 6 p.m. Eastern poll closing).

    Bush strategist Karl Rove contended in The Wall Street Journal on Thursday that “Obama Hasn't Closed the Sale,” but even Rove called a McCain recovery “improbable.”

    “This task, while not impossible, will be difficult,” Rove wrote. “If Mr. McCain succeeds, he will have engineered the most impressive and improbable political comeback since Harry Truman in 1948. But having to reach back more than a half-century for inspiration is not the place campaign managers want to be now.”

    After McCain failed to shake up the race in Wednesday’s debate, pundits have been increasingly bold in suggesting that the race could be over.

    As the leading edge of what is likely to be a race by journalists to forecast the outcome of what has been the most exciting presidential race in American history, ABC News veteran Sam Donaldson said of McCain on “Good Morning America” on Thursday: “Something could happen. But unless it does, he’s going to lose.”

    Over on MSNBC, host Joe Scarborough said on “Morning Joe”: “When it becomes obvious that one candidate’s going to lose, usually members of that party start jumping, like rats from a ship. You’re starting to hear from Republicans that are really afraid McCain’s going to lose, Democrats may [reach] 60 in the Senate, and this is going to be a historic rout.”

    And Republican analyst Torie Clarke, who once worked as McCain’s Senate press secretary and who appeared with Donaldson, had this advice for her former boss: “He has to ask himself some very tough questions, because one way or the other, this is the final chapter in his political career. And how does he want to write that final chapter? … Does he want to do anything in an effort to win, or does he want to go out the way he likes to think of himself — as a public servant?”
     
  2. Fatty FatBastard

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    I think this might be Liberal's biggest achilles' heel. Everyone is screaming "landslide," and I think it may be to your detriment, much like people in Texas don't vote because they know it's going to McCain, anyway.

    We will see, but all of this crowing just may lead to voter apathy amongst voters who are in an age range that don't typically go out and vote normally.
     
  3. Rashmon

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    Run the old movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"
     
  4. rimrocker

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    Doubtful. Obama invested in a ground game for a reason and people really want to vote for Obama and against Republicans.

    It is a realistic approach. Virginia is in the Eastern Time Zone and if it goes to Obama, it's pretty much a dead lock cinch that he will end up north of 270. Anyone with a middling understanding of this election knows that.
     
  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I really agree with you. Seriously.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Lil Pun

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    I totally agree, look at my opening comment.
     
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    That's one of my favorite movies. Very good! :)
     
  8. glynch

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    Who can definitely say that if Obama wins Virginia, it is impossible for McCain to lose? The media does not have to say that on election night. There is also the congressional races.

    Of course, such a result in Virginia could discourage McCain voters as well as Obama voters in the later voting states.

    Maybe the Obama voters will want to come out to vote for the winner.

    It will be good for the country if we don't have the whole election come down to one state with significant questions.
     
  9. Rocket River

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    . . . that leaves out Faux News I guess

    Rocket River
     
  10. opticon

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    I hate to say it used to fall into that catogory. The only reason I voted in the 2000 election was to get the toyota center built. My wife made registar this year and I intend to vote Obama even though I know my vote wont help him win.

    But who knows maybe enough people will vote in texas for obama to give the rnc a little scare.
     
  11. A_3PO

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    You are definitely wrong. This year, every age group is going to vote in record numbers. It will be a sight to behold all around the country on election day.

    Me, I'm voting early because I don't want to stand in line.
     
  12. Major

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    You don't think this works both ways? You don't think Democrats in Texas don't vote because their candidate is going to lose?

    I'm not sure which side would be impacted more, but it seems like it would be the "losing" side. The winning side still wants to say they voted for the eventual winner. The losing side doesn't necessarily care.
     
  13. Icehouse

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    That's what I'm hanging my hate on. If Obama wins this election will be historic, and I think those that choose to vote for him want to be able to say they participated in history. Folks seem to be excited to cast their vote for him. And to be honest, I have received so many emial fwd's revolving around a theme of "don't let 2000 happen again...vote no matter what".
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    But then they won't be able to get one of those, "Don't blame me, I voted for X!" bumper-stickers.
     
  15. A_3PO

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    If Obama wins Virginia decisively, that would indeed guarantee a victory. If Virginia is close, you can't make that assumption. If Obama wins North Carolina, that would be a strong sign he's in for a good evening.

    Any way you slice it, the early states will give an indication of how long the drama will last.
     
  16. Major

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    If Obama wins VA, it's very difficult for McCain. He'd have to win at least one Kerry state - but he's no longer competing in any of the Kerry states except PA, where he's down somewhere between 10-15 pts.

    Assuming Obama has IA and NM, McCain has to win ALL of the following, or pick off a state that he's not considered competitive in:

    VA, NC, FL, OH, MO, CO, IN

    If he loses any of them, I'm not sure what the logical path to victory would be.
     
  17. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

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    I remember in 2000 I went to bed at 1 or 2am thinking Gore had won.

    I doubt I will care that much about this election but it would be nice to have it wrapped up before I need to go to sleep.
     
  18. Batman Jones

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    To those who think a vote for Obama in Texas doesn't count...

    Of course it is incredibly unlikely that Obama will win Texas. It's almost unthinkable. But it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. Or, at least, it's no less likely than McCain winning PA this year. In each case, the best odds makers in the business these days, fivethirtyeight.com, places the likelihood at 1%

    Regardless, Dems and other progressives and liberals need to get out to vote for Skelly, Noriega and a whole lot of other good candidates who are more competitive in their Texas races than Obama is in his.
     
  19. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Contributing Member

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    I think the main point is that when you vote for president there is more thsan just one race on the ballot. The other races don't hardly make the news other than a crawl on the bottom of local news but your vote in these elections is incredibly valuable.
     
  20. rodrick_98

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    i've been saying this race has been over since march
     

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